Royal Purple Among Other Oils

twinky64

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I heard from a friend that royal purple would actually help increase hp in your car for reasons unknown. Does anybody have any experience with that? Are there any oils that help with hp increase on a car? I wouldn't think so but I've always been suprised at how things work for automobiles.

 
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fishexpo101

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No oil of any kind will make or increase HP of the engine - if the oil makes that claim = B.S. It is a marketing gimmick, a play on words.

But you can get a very high quality motor oil that has the properties to protect your engine and help reduce internal friction - doesn't "make" more power from thin air. Think of it this way, you could have a less power robbing, motor oil.

Royal Purple is pretty good stuff - high quality synthetic motor oil that is really well known in the motorcycle camps. Funky blue/purple colored oil as well.

You would get similar results running a quality synthetic like Mobil 1, Amsoil, and others out there. Nothing really "special" about Royal Purple other than its history.

 

Bikeman982

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I concur with fishexpo101. A better oil only provides better lubrication. It cannot increase horsepower of the car. It would make it run smoother, quieter and less noisy, that's a good thing.

 
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jupiterboy

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x3

Oil is for protection of the engine, and I'm sure you can go overboard. It is a gamble—more investment in better oil vs. the possibility that someone will smash the crap out of your car before you get the benefits.

 

Bikeman982

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Oil is for protection of the engine, and I'm sure you can go overboard. It is a gamble—more investment in better oil vs. the possibility that someone will smash the crap out of your car before you get the benefits.
That's why we have auto insurance!

 

Access-Denied

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Oil is for protection of the engine, and I'm sure you can go overboard. It is a gamble—more investment in better oil vs. the possibility that someone will smash the crap out of your car before you get the benefits.


ah yes, my current fear right there. taken good care of my car. 165k miles. 96 prizm.

 

friendly_jacek

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Oil is for protection of the engine, and I'm sure you can go overboard. It is a gamble—more investment in better oil vs. the possibility that someone will smash the crap out of your car before you get the benefits.
Well said. When I bought my first brand new car a few years ago, I babied it, agonized over oil choices, and spent $$$ for oil analysis and specialty oils. Yet it was totalled before the age of 60,000 miles (fortunately, not my fault). In retrospect, waste of time and money on the expensive synthetic oils and oil analyses. At least I learned something in the process (? matured).

 

jupiterboy

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I don't know. I think I just like to take care of things and I'm anti disposable culture at my core. I lost a GTI VR6 to an idiot driver, and I kept it like a baby. I'm doing the same thing with the XRS. I don't intend to let other peoples stupidity sway my aesthetic. It is about how I choose to deal and that it feels good to maintain something.

 

twinky64

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I don't know. I think I just like to take care of things and I'm anti disposable culture at my core. I lost a GTI VR6 to an idiot driver, and I kept it like a baby. I'm doing the same thing with the XRS. I don't intend to let other peoples stupidity sway my aesthetic. It is about how I choose to deal and that it feels good to maintain something.
jupiterboy,

Is the XRS significantly better than any other trim of the corolla? Is it laggy or responsive compared to the other trims?

 

the99contour

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I don't know. I think I just like to take care of things and I'm anti disposable culture at my core. I lost a GTI VR6 to an idiot driver, and I kept it like a baby. I'm doing the same thing with the XRS. I don't intend to let other peoples stupidity sway my aesthetic. It is about how I choose to deal and that it feels good to maintain something.
jupiterboy,

Is the XRS significantly better than any other trim of the corolla? Is it laggy or responsive compared to the other trims?
It is comprable in terms of feature content to a decently equipped Corolla 'S'. Except that it has 4 wheel disc ABS standard, a stiffer suspension, 16 inch alloy wheels, and special red optitron gauges, ohh yeah, it also doesn't have a split folding rear seat. It has a higher revving engine and a six speed transmission that you need to make the car liveable. The car is definately more responsive than my LE, but you must drive it in such a way as to keep it in it's power-band to really see the performance difference. In order to do this, you must shift through the 6 gears rather often. The car is kind of buzzy in my opinion. If you can live with the shifting and the limited power-band and the buzzing, then it is a great little pocket rocket. If you can't then you need to just buy the LE or S.

 

jupiterboy

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XRS is an odd duck.

Like many high RPM cars is lacks torque, which does show up on the low end. I would say research the 2ZZ engine. It is a really great little engine IMO. My car has been modified a bit, so it is hard to remember what it was like out of the box.

It really shines on the highway, where you can downshift from 6th to 3rd to get the RPMs over 6800 almost instantly. The XRS will take off where other cars are running out of steam.

You get a racy engine in a grocery getter package, which means that with some improvements along the way you can make it into a great car.

If you are humble and not status oriented and love to drive, I would consider it over a small BMW or VW.

But take one for a test drive and put it through its paces.

Have a listen. This is a run up to 100 mph.

http://media.putfile.com/TRD74

 

fishexpo101

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+1 with jupiterboy

Once you get used to the powerband "quirks" of the 2ZZ-GE engine, careful about rowing through the gears, and pick the right gear at the right time - the 2ZZ-GE is a blast. My Matrix XRS gives up several hundred pounds to my 1ZZFE Corolla - but the Matrix will always spank it on a roll. From a dig (dead stop) - the Corolla will pull away first in the first couple of seconds, but that is about it.

From speed - drop a few gears and you are gone. Ultimate sleeper - as it is almost indistinguishable from your garden variety Corolla, especially if it on the road.

Drawbacks of the 2ZZ-GE: engine can get really thristy if you keep hitting lift all the time (really hard not too - pretty addictive). Pretty buzzy exhaust and turning higher RPMs in most situations to make useful power. Premium fuel required (91 octane). You can get away with plus grade (89 octane) every once and a while (wife does that all the time) - but only at your own expense.

 

twinky64

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Does the XRS have better accelleration than the corollas with 1zzfe? Does it corner better? And what about braking? Could you put that engine in an 8th gen corolla?

 

fishexpo101

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Better acceleration - most of the time, depends on what gear you are in at the time (if you are humming along at 4000-5000RPM in the 2ZZGE, then the 1ZZFE is no match).

2ZZGE Corolla has an OEM strut bar that is design by Yamaha - pretty hefty piece compared to its size. (makes for sharper steering). Different spring rates than other Corollas, different seat shape to hold you a bit better - not 100% sure, but I also assume heavier anti-roll bars. Cornering is better than your plain Corolla - but only by a bit (it is based on the Corolla platform, twist beam rear setup).

Braking - absolutely better (discs all around, good modulation).

Could you swap it in - sure. How much work?? - more than you think, but completely possible. So far I have seen two 2ZZ-GE swapped 8th gen Corollas - one of which had someone documenting its swap the whole way. He used a Matrix XRS as the doner vehicle - which was part of the problems that he encountered along the way - but should not be much different that any other swap.

 

twinky64

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Better acceleration - most of the time, depends on what gear you are in at the time (if you are humming along at 4000-5000RPM in the 2ZZGE, then the 1ZZFE is no match).
2ZZGE Corolla has an OEM strut bar that is design by Yamaha - pretty hefty piece compared to its size. (makes for sharper steering). Different spring rates than other Corollas, different seat shape to hold you a bit better - not 100% sure, but I also assume heavier anti-roll bars. Cornering is better than your plain Corolla - but only by a bit (it is based on the Corolla platform, twist beam rear setup).

Braking - absolutely better (discs all around, good modulation).

Could you swap it in - sure. How much work?? - more than you think, but completely possible. So far I have seen two 2ZZ-GE swapped 8th gen Corollas - one of which had someone documenting its swap the whole way. He used a Matrix XRS as the doner vehicle - which was part of the problems that he encountered along the way - but should not be much different that any other swap.
How much did that "someone" pay for that conversion. Did the conversion have a 6 spd manual or 5? At 192,000mi on an engine, is it recommended that I use thicker oils or should I use synthetic oil?

 

fishexpo101

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For a 2ZZ-GE swap - I think they mentioned about it going for around what a custom turbo setup will cost + donor car. Something around $3500 to $6000 + donor for 2ZZGE swap into a 8th gen Corolla, auto to 6-speed conversion, rear disk brake conversion, and 5-lug hub conversion all the way around.

Pretty spendy - probably would have broke even by trading it in for a 2005 Corolla XRS. But it was a good project - basically a Corolla XRS in the previous model body.

As for oil - depends on what your engine is doing. If the car is starting to burn some oil - switching from a 5w-30 to 10w-30 would still be OK. Running anything thicker - and you have a problem that has to be fixed first. Thicker motor oil helps with some engine noise and when the engine gets more miles on it - but you have to very careful not to go too far off spec - especially with the 1ZZ-FE. I know some guys that run 20w-50 racing oil in their cars (Texas, Florida) - both fragged their oil pumps after about 10K miles and blamed poor design being the cause. The cause was running an oil too thick.

Synthetic oil works if need an oil that fits synthetic's characteristics (high temp stability and oxidation resistance, good low temp mobility, superior solvency, ability to extend oil change intervals).

Doesn't mean that convention oil is of poor quality. Indeed - todays specs for conventional oil probably equals that of previous specs for some early generation of synthetic motor oil. If you stick to a shorter oil change interval and live in a climate that doesn't experience too severe temperature ranges - would be more cost effective to stick with a good qualityu conventional oil. If money doesn't really matter or you like piece of mind - then by all means, go with the synthetic.

I personally run Mobil 1 synthetic, OEM "long" filter, and run 7500-10000 mile oil change intervals. 130K miles and some change and no oil burning or performance problems.

 

fishexpo101

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If you really want to go Frankenstien, put a 2ZZ in a Spider. Then you will have done something.
That is what I feel they should have done from the beginning. But maybe the 2ZZ-GE ON/OFF behavior with lift would have been too much for the car, balance-wise.

 

jupiterboy

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If you really want to go Frankenstien, put a 2ZZ in a Spider. Then you will have done something.
That is what I feel they should have done from the beginning. But maybe the 2ZZ-GE ON/OFF behavior with lift would have been too much for the car, balance-wise.
Well, the Australian 2ZZ his a much lower lift engagement point, and a stock blower. Put that all in a mid-engine package. I would have liked to give it a try.


 

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