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Difference In Build Quality? Usa Vs Canada

by Rollah, January 9, 2005

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The Focus is pretty nice... I think its comparable to a Civic and Corolla, and you can get them for a better price.

The Cavalier is a different story... absolute garbage. I've seen plenty of them with over 200,000km and running strong, but the Cavalier is the last car I would want to spend 200,000 km in.

I'm not saying that domestics are perfect, but they aren't as unreliable as some people make them out to be, especially not now in 2005. They have advantages and disadvantages, so do Japanese cars.

Isn't most of the important manufacture, like parts forging and welding, done by robots? Great engineering extends to the manufacturing process; assembly is a technology unto itself. With all due respect to auto workers, they are only human. They would be the first to acknowledge that modern cars have tolerances and precision that go well beyond the skill of hands of mere flesh and blood. These days, if one car is a "lemon," you can usually expect they all will be. The vast majority of problems arise out of mistakes in design, not variabilityor human error during assembly. I'm not worried about where my Toyota was built.

I dont mind where a Toyota is built since I have confidence in the build quality, longevity and efficiency compared to other marques. And these are traits why most people purchase a Toyota, it is what they are known for.

I cant say the same for some auto manufacturers.

I agree with what was posted up about quality depending on design and material used and minimising assembly errors.

20,000km in 6 months and no issues whatsoever, car is running great.

Lists from consumer reports, which is unbiased, in the latest issue on Best and Worst used cars. Seems to generally weigh in favor of Japanese and against American and German. There are some Amercan cars on the "good Bets" list, but there are no Japanese cars on this list of ones not to buy.

CR Good Bets

These are the best of both worlds: models that have performed well in Consumer Reports tests over the years and have proved to have consistently better-than-average overall reliability. They are listed alphabetically.

Acura Integra

Acura MDX

Acura RL

Acura RSX

Acura TL

Buick Regal

Chevrolet/Geo Prizm

Chrysler PT Cruiser

Ford Crown Victoria

Ford Escort, ZX2

Honda Accord

Honda Civic

Honda CR-V

Honda Odyssey

Honda Prelude

Honda S2000

Infiniti G20

Infiniti I30, I35

Infiniti Q45

Infiniti QX4

Lexus ES300, ES330

Lexus GS300/ GS400,

GS430

Lexus IS300

Lexus LS400, LS430

Lexus RX300, RX330

Lincoln Town Car

Mazda 626

Mazda Millenia

Mazda MX-5 Miata

Mazda Protegé

Mercury Grand Marquis

Mercury Tracer

Mitsubishi Galant

Nissan Altima

Nissan Maxima

Nissan Pathfinder

Subaru Forester

Subaru Impreza

Subaru Legacy

Subaru Outback

Toyota 4Runner

Toyota Avalon

Toyota Camry

Toyota Camry Solara

Toyota Celica

Toyota Corolla

Toyota Echo

Toyota Highlander

Toyota Land Cruiser

Toyota Prius

Toyota RAV4

Toyota Sequoia

Toyota Sienna

Toyota Tundra

Repeat offenders

These models have proved much worse than average in over-all reliability. They are listed alphabetically.

Audi A6

BMW 7 Series

Chevrolet Astro

Chevrolet Blazer

Chevrolet Express1500

Chevrolet S-10 (4WD)

Chevrolet TrailBlazer

Chrysler Town & Country (AWD)

Dodge Dakota (4WD)

Dodge Grand Caravan (AWD)

Ford Windstar

GMC Envoy

GMC Jimmy

GMC Safari

GMC Savana 1500

GMC Sonoma (4WD)

Jaguar S-Type

Jaguar X-Type

Jeep Grand Cherokee

Land Rover Discovery

Lincoln Navigator

Mercedes-Benz C-Class (V6)

Mercedes-Benz CLK

Mercedes-Benz M-Class

Mercedes-Benz S-Class

Oldsmobile Bravada

Oldsmobile Cutlass

Plymouth Neon

Pontiac Aztek

Saturn Vue

Volkswagen Golf

Volkswagen Jetta

Volkswagen

New Beetle

Volvo S80

Guest Toyota-san

Lists from consumer reports, which is unbiased

Not always! But at least they have no commercial influence.

Guest Corollasroyce

Volkswagen at the bottom of the list...wow, almost every model toyota makes is at the top, thats nice to see....

Maybe my next car won't be a VW.

It would be cool if Toyota brings back the Supra some day, hopefully in time for my mid-life crisis...

Guest Corollasroyce

Maybe my next car won't be a VW.

It would be cool if Toyota brings back the Supra some day, hopefully in time for my mid-life crisis...

HAHAHHA well ive read in a couple magazines that toyota has a prototype of a supra they are planning to start production on....would be awesome to see them on the road again!! You were gonna go VW?? what would provolk you to do that? diesel or?

 

 

In the old days, VWs were pretty reliable. Before I became a Toyota driver, I owned 1984 and 1992 Jettas . The 1984 was my first car in high school, and the thing was indestructible! The front bumper was mounted on shocks, and it had an engine that wouldn't quit. The '92 was very reliable as well, but cost a little bit more to keep it running past 150,000 miles. I ran both up to 250,000 miles and loved driving them. But I have heard the next two generations of VW's (Jetta III and Jetta IV) have both been plagued with problems. I'm glad I got to drive some of the good models before they started to go downhill.

Once VW shifted a lot of production to Mexico, their quality went right down the crapper.

Lots of early 80's cars had bempers that would take a 10mph hiit. Wish they still made them that way. 10mph now and you're out thousands.

Also, i agree on the mexico thing. Nissan sentras reliablility is now WAY worse since they started making them there. Hoping the california toyota production is better. A bit close to mexio for my taste..

Guest Corollasroyce

I don't know if its the same with car companies, but my step-father works in mexico for an american company and they hire workers to work for less than $10 american a day to work a 12 hour shift....If car companies are doing that it could explain alot....

Wow...that's not very much money. That might explain why my friend's '97 VW Jetta had so many problems. Within 30,000 miles he had to replace the wheel bearings, and the moulding on his doors began to fall off around 40k. We used to joke that the mexicans were taking a 'siesta' when they built his car! My uncle had a '95 Jetta and the thing was a total lemon. His paint began peeling off and door moulding fell off aroud 50k miles.

Both were made in Mexico. My '84 was built in Germany.

Maybe my next car won't be a VW.

It would be cool if Toyota brings  back the Supra some day, hopefully in time for my mid-life crisis...

HAHAHHA well ive read in a couple magazines that toyota has a prototype of a supra they are planning to start production on....would be awesome to see them on the road again!! You were gonna go VW?? what would provolk you to do that? diesel or?

 

Royce,

 

I always liked Volkswagen, probably going back to early childhood when my father had a couple of them, including a nice silver wagon. I can still remember looking out the window and seeing it parked in the street gleaming in the sun. An uncle of ours had a yellow Beetle, we could hear him coming from a few blocks away, that cathartic distinctive sound Beetles made back then.

VW is probably the first brand logo I recognized as a kid, much like kids today who identify with the Nike swoosh or the Golden Arches.

For me, it has always stood for dependability, quality and strength and simplicity in design. I always liked the car's looks too, from the Beetle to the Rabbit, and the early Golf cabrios that evolved from Rabbits. They always looked different, inside and out, than their Japanese counterparts. Even in modern Golfs, the controls inside look like those in more expensive cars, solid, sophisticated, very sporty. Exterior-wise, the boxy Golfs and Jettas of 10-15 years ago were nicer (imho) than the rounder ones today.

And I never remember there being any anti-VW sentiment here in North America (and especially Canada) like there was against the Japanese imports. There was always a positive, happy feeling and vibe about Volkswagen.

But now I hear everybody saying the cars built in Mexico are not very reliable. I'm not so sure, but it seems I've heard that many times from different people, so there must be some truth to it.

I would have liked to check out the VW factory in Wolfsburg back in the day they were churning out Beetles to the tune of 1.5 million a year.

Guest Corollasroyce

thats cool...my dad was always a full fledged chevy supporter....when i bought a mazda he shook his head, when i bought a VW and a toyota , he shook his head, and when i bought a kawasaki he almost dis-owned me......but hes ok with it now....



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