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sounds like rear toe is out of whack and theyre just charging you out the ###### for not fixing it. i had the same problem once, try another shop.

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sounds like rear toe is out of whack and theyre just charging you out the ###### for not fixing it. i had the same problem once, try another shop.

This manager seems to really care. I had my alignment checked and he would normally charge 90 bucks to get an alignment, however, he charged me 65. Which is pretty good around here in so cal. Anyhow, I went back like I said and had the mechanic check it again and then cross rotated the tires to see if the problem persists. If so, then he suggests that its due to a radial pull.

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Every mechanic I've been to takes the hubcaps off before they balance them. I have a lot of scrapes on my hubcaps that can cause some uneven weight on one side. I always have vibration. I was wondering, could my vibration be due to crappy hubcaps? I mean something as small as changing your valve covers on your tires could throw off your balance. After all, mechanics only use ounces to balance a tire.

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Every mechanic I've been to takes the hubcaps off before they balance them. I have a lot of scrapes on my hubcaps that can cause some uneven weight on one side. I always have vibration. I was wondering, could my vibration be due to crappy hubcaps? I mean something as small as changing your valve covers on your tires could throw off your balance. After all, mechanics only use ounces to balance a tire.

 

Wheels have to be balanced without hubcaps to get the little weights put on the right spots.

Hubcaps are relatively balanced and should not be the cause of vibrations.

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Every mechanic I've been to takes the hubcaps off before they balance them. I have a lot of scrapes on my hubcaps that can cause some uneven weight on one side. I always have vibration. I was wondering, could my vibration be due to crappy hubcaps? I mean something as small as changing your valve covers on your tires could throw off your balance. After all, mechanics only use ounces to balance a tire.

 

Wheels have to be balanced without hubcaps to get the little weights put on the right spots.

Hubcaps are relatively balanced and should not be the cause of vibrations.

 

 

You take your car where for an alignment????

You can check for a radial pull your self .Get in a parking lot take your hands off the wheel and accelerate hard off the pline radial pull will go to the tire thats bad. hit the gas and it goes pretty good left then the left tire is bad.and so on.and someone will come back at that with"torque steer".slight right pull on wheel yes but hard right and its the tires.

Also another thing is road force.if you have high roadforce then you will get what feel like a wheel balalnce feel.however if the wheel doesnt shake side to side in your hand at 35-infinity then its not a wheel balance issue or seperation. its road feel from those tires.

Next time its time for a rotation try a side to side and see what that does.if it doesnt change then your rear tires have excessive road force and need turn on the rim or replaced.

Oh yeah did you buy an Avalon?? or a corolla??

Want an Avalon ride buy the Avalon.

or get a real nice set of michelins.

and an alignment for those new tires I know you have hit at least one pothole while driving since you got it aligned last time, huh???

 

Oh yeah the corolla must be 4 wheel aligned and most tech dont adjust the rears because they are out from the factory.

 

Later

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i wanted to note about the braking, after heavy brake your rotors get hot, to help them keep life after hard brake, drive around a bit and use the brakes, this helps them cool alot more slowly, this will help from getting warped rotors especially with crossdrilled it will help them from cracking

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Every mechanic I've been to takes the hubcaps off before they balance them. I have a lot of scrapes on my hubcaps that can cause some uneven weight on one side. I always have vibration. I was wondering, could my vibration be due to crappy hubcaps? I mean something as small as changing your valve covers on your tires could throw off your balance. After all, mechanics only use ounces to balance a tire.

 

Wheels have to be balanced without hubcaps to get the little weights put on the right spots.

Hubcaps are relatively balanced and should not be the cause of vibrations.

 

 

You take your car where for an alignment????

You can check for a radial pull your self .Get in a parking lot take your hands off the wheel and accelerate hard off the pline radial pull will go to the tire thats bad. hit the gas and it goes pretty good left then the left tire is bad.and so on.and someone will come back at that with"torque steer".slight right pull on wheel yes but hard right and its the tires.

Also another thing is road force.if you have high roadforce then you will get what feel like a wheel balalnce feel.however if the wheel doesnt shake side to side in your hand at 35-infinity then its not a wheel balance issue or seperation. its road feel from those tires.

Next time its time for a rotation try a side to side and see what that does.if it doesnt change then your rear tires have excessive road force and need turn on the rim or replaced.

Oh yeah did you buy an Avalon?? or a corolla??

Want an Avalon ride buy the Avalon.

or get a real nice set of michelins.

and an alignment for those new tires I know you have hit at least one pothole while driving since you got it aligned last time, huh???

 

Oh yeah the corolla must be 4 wheel aligned and most tech dont adjust the rears because they are out from the factory.

 

Later

So your saying that if it is an imbalance, then I will feel it at 35mph? Hmmm......I've had my wheel vibrate only at freeway speeds before and a balance fixed that. Also, since your a tech, could you answer this? My wheel will vibrate at freeway speeds for about 7sec, then will stop for about 7sec, then start vibrating again at 7sec, so on and so forth. The transition from vibration of the steering wheel is gradual and subtle. It doesn't just all of a sudden start vibrating and just suddenly stop. Why would my car behave like this?

NOTE: Happens for about 2 years now, ever since I've got my car

I have a 1998 toyota corolla CE (NO DAMN FRONT SWAYBAR! lol, PLOWS into corners real

real.......really nice!)

My car has never been in an accident and has 200k miles.

I take my car to BIG-O-TIRES for alignment

Could you also explain road force? That is a new one for me.

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Also note that your vibration could also be a result of the suspension setup (ie. no OEM swaybar) - in that case, no amout of fiddling will work, untill you get it straighten out.

 

in your particular case - you have to religiously rotate those tires - even after 5K of mostly highway use, you can get enough wear on the tire to have these vibrations manifest themselves. I also would not rule out a hub related problem (shows up in some very hard to balance situations, or where the balance seems to be intermittent).

 

As for tire balancing, make sure the place uses something like this:

http://www.craigautometrics.com/huntergsp9700.htm

- most better tire shops, places like Tirerack, and dealerships will carry this machine. Makes for goof-proof balancing.

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Also note that your vibration could also be a result of the suspension setup (ie. no OEM swaybar) - in that case, no amout of fiddling will work, untill you get it straighten out.

 

in your particular case - you have to religiously rotate those tires - even after 5K of mostly highway use, you can get enough wear on the tire to have these vibrations manifest themselves. I also would not rule out a hub related problem (shows up in some very hard to balance situations, or where the balance seems to be intermittent).

 

As for tire balancing, make sure the place uses something like this:

http://www.craigautometrics.com/huntergsp9700.htm

- most better tire shops, places like Tirerack, and dealerships will carry this machine. Makes for goof-proof balancing.

Will this detect out of round tires that of course require you to change tires until you get ones that are round?

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Yup - a good road force tire balancer will detect voids in the tire tread itself, out of round issues with wheel and tire, and if the tire needs to be unmounted turned a free degrees and remounted.

 

Out of round tires are pretty tough to get - Sears got into a ton of trouble telling people their tires were out of round and had to be shaved to correct (they automatically scrap tires that are not round at the tire plant). Unless you know you locked up the brakes long enough to flat spot or running low profile tires (can flatspot in a day - but return to their shape within a few miles of driving, when the tire heats up).

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I'd like to toss in my 2c on this one - I haven't been able to keep my 01 prizm aligned worth a turd either - and at $90 a pop I have simply given up and counter steer. Bad for my tires, suspension, and mileage.

 

On the shaking issue - my car shakes at hwy speeds also, but it is caused by a bent wheel (or two) and I simply can't afford to replace them at the moment.. It took 3 visits to the tire shop to learn this, however, and watching them balance the damn tire.

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i picked up up on 2 problems here

first - you mentioned that your tires are wearing on the out side, and not on the inside. you do know this means your tires are under inflated right? i am also assuming you have used a tire pressure gage to check your tire pressure.....

second - a vibration that comes and goes is not a tire balance issue. i would suspect maybe a motor mount myself.

third - i have a 93 corolla with who knows what kind of wear and tear, 150k + miles. it drives straight, doesnt vibrate, and doesnt wear tires funny. even with REALLY bad rear struts.

fourth - a tire shop that puts tires on, aligns your car, and then says "radial pull" is out of warranty? BS!!!!!! i would never shop there again, let all my freinds know, and call the tire manufacturer, or whoever is higher up then that manager. they have to have a least a customer satisfaction program of some sort.

good luck

aaron

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My 1994 has never had a tire alignment and doesn't have any problem at any speed.

I put new tires on it when I bought it and had them balanced (not on the car).

I think most vibration problems are related to the tires or rims.

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