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1zzfe Superchargers?

by Winter, November 1, 2007



hey everyone

i recently had a post up about extremly fast spooling turbos.

i'd like to know about the available superchargers. i know about the TRD one... i was wondering if theres any other out there and if there any available upgrade pulleys that derasticly improve power output? say around 12-16psi instead of only 6-9psi?

There was a guy running a custom ProCharger setup a few years ago at an autoshow on 7th gen Celica GT. Those systems are supposed to run up to 24PSI and flow over 1000CFM. There was a Blitz supercharger kit for a 2ZZ-GE powered Celica - might be able to adpat it for 1ZZ-FE duty - but only sold overseas. I have yet to see one in the US save a showcar in a SSC, SS, or similar magazine.

i've seen the blitz kit, problem is there are no upgradeable pulleys available for it.

i took at look at procharger and by what you've mentioned it seems that they used a C-1 compressor on there.

do you know of any images of that settup? or know where i could find anything on it?

The Celica GT-S also had a kit made by GReddy, although they cost even more than a TRD kit.

http://www.greddy.com/products/display/?Ca...;SubCategory=17

What I don't understand is this: If a Celica and a Corolla both have a 1ZZ-FE engine, and a company advertises a supercharger for a Celica with a 1ZZ-FE engine, why would it not work on a Corolla with a 1ZZ-FE engine? I guess that all 1ZZ-FE engines are not created equal?

Technically the Celica and Corolla have slightly different engines. The Celica uses the 1ZZ-FED which is built in Japan and utilizes multi-point fuel injection rather than the 1ZZ-FE's sequential fuel injection, but that isn't the real reason. Much if it has to do with fitment and design, depending on the supercharger. The GReddy supercharger was actually designed for the Celica GT-S, which uses a 2ZZ-GE motor. Of course, this isn't to say that its impossible to fit one designated application to another. There's a Celica GT (1ZZ-FED engine) on youtube by a guy called "Ramon" who was able to fit an 03' Corolla TRD supercharger onto his car and make it work.

Technically the Celica and Corolla have slightly different engines. The Celica uses the 1ZZ-FED which is built in Japan and utilizes multi-point fuel injection rather than the 1ZZ-FE's sequential fuel injection, but that isn't the real reason. Much if it has to do with fitment and design, depending on the supercharger. The GReddy supercharger was actually designed for the Celica GT-S, which uses a 2ZZ-GE motor. Of course, this isn't to say that its impossible to fit one designated application to another. There's a Celica GT (1ZZ-FED engine) on youtube by a guy called "Ramon" who was able to fit an 03' Corolla TRD supercharger onto his car and make it work.

Well, my "holy grail" quest is for a supercharger for a 2002 Corolla with the 1ZZ-FE. Is there any such thing out there that doesn't require a lot of modification and fabricating to make it work?

Short answer is no - optimistic answer is not yet. If we were drive Civics or Acuras - then the changes go up considerably. The bottom line is that there is very little support for a majority of Corollas, save a few (ie. AE86, etc.) This may all change with the upcoming 10th generation of Corolla - have to wait and see what the future holds.

Short answer is no - optimistic answer is not yet. If we were drive Civics or Acuras - then the changes go up considerably. The bottom line is that there is very little support for a majority of Corollas, save a few (ie. AE86, etc.) This may all change with the upcoming 10th generation of Corolla - have to wait and see what the future holds.

So basically, there is nothing out there performance-wise for the 1ZZ-FE engine in an 8-gen. default_sad

So basically, there is nothing out there performance-wise for the 1ZZ-FE engine in an 8-gen. default_sad

Nothing that is a simple bolt-on deal - least for the forced induction option (supercharger / turbocharger). Does not mean that there are no bolt-on goodies for the Corolla - there are some out there, some can add some significant power gains. The only thing that will limit the access to those units are your budget. But if you already looking at a turbo or supercharger power added - then these might be viable options.

Example - a well known power added - nitrous injection. Can be a dry setup (easiest install), wet injection (medium install) and port injection (harder install, fabrication usually needed). People have run 25, 50, and 75HP shots on a stock 1ZZ-FE without major damage with occasional use. But with any power added - if you want to use nitrous on a regular basis, might want to consider beefing up the engine for the extra loads it will see.

Other options are standard bolt-ons - like intake, exhaust, and header. Some like lightweight, underdriven pulleys (bad idea IMO) - some might add a piggyback or standalone fuel management to tailor the air fuel maps for the bolts-ons (maximize power gains). Performance cams, stronger valvesprings, port and polish, boring out the TB, beefing up automatic/manual transaxles, shaving down the head, running higher comp pistons, etc. are available as well.

You could also just run your engine into the ground, then when it dies and comes time for an engine swap, you'll have the justification to swap in something newer and more powerful like the Celica GT's 140 HP engine, the XRS engine, the lastest Corolla engine (up to 132 HP SAE revised), or when Toyota comes out with Valvematic on their 2.0L 3ZR-FAE engine (estimated 155 HP SAE revised!). That's my plan for more power.

The best thing about engine swapping is that when 250-300k miles hits, you're engine will probably die either way, so might as well use the opportunity to replace it with something sweeter. Plus, you wont have to deal with the headaches forced induction can bring. A lot of people who try supercharging or turbocharging their cars with universal or aftermarket kits can really mess up the mapping and cause significant damage. That's the one benefit about TRD superchargers; everything is all ready before hand, including the ECU. It's basically a "plug-and-play" application.

hey everyone

i recently had a post up about extremly fast spooling turbos.

i'd like to know about the available superchargers. i know about the TRD one... i was wondering if theres any other out there and if there any available upgrade pulleys that derasticly improve power output? say around 12-16psi instead of only 6-9psi?

 

With 12-16psi, you would need a IC, and some sort of BOV too. I wish TRD had a SCer for my car, but Toyota can't stick to anything. When I got our 05, I really had plans for a SCer. If I had known that I could never get one, I might not have bought the car. Oh well.

A TRD would be the way to go cause it has been tested and the engine can take it long term. NA engines don't do as good with high boost because they have higher compression pistons. 12 might be realistic, but 16 is probably out of the question with out a LOT of work. Even with 12, I would imagine that you would need a higher flowing fuel pump, AFPR, and maybe even injectors.

I can run 18-20psi on a Mitsu 4G63, but even that took a upgraded IC, fuel pump, AFPR, injectors, tune. Stock injectors where 450cc and they were good till about 15psi and now I have the EVO Denso 560cc injectors. They are a tad underrated tho and they really flow between 580-600cc.

Just to give you a ideal. A higher compression engine would need more fuel, but you would also be having to deal with the limitations of the engine internals. If you can rebuilt the engine tho, it wouldn't be a issue at all. If you really want to run over 12psi, I'd look in to a turbo.

So basically, there is nothing out there performance-wise for the 1ZZ-FE engine in an 8-gen. default_sad

Nothing that is a simple bolt-on deal - least for the forced induction option (supercharger / turbocharger). Does not mean that there are no bolt-on goodies for the Corolla - there are some out there, some can add some significant power gains. The only thing that will limit the access to those units are your budget. But if you already looking at a turbo or supercharger power added - then these might be viable options.

Example - a well known power added - nitrous injection. Can be a dry setup (easiest install), wet injection (medium install) and port injection (harder install, fabrication usually needed). People have run 25, 50, and 75HP shots on a stock 1ZZ-FE without major damage with occasional use. But with any power added - if you want to use nitrous on a regular basis, might want to consider beefing up the engine for the extra loads it will see.

Other options are standard bolt-ons - like intake, exhaust, and header. Some like lightweight, underdriven pulleys (bad idea IMO) - some might add a piggyback or standalone fuel management to tailor the air fuel maps for the bolts-ons (maximize power gains). Performance cams, stronger valvesprings, port and polish, boring out the TB, beefing up automatic/manual transaxles, shaving down the head, running higher comp pistons, etc. are available as well.

 

Hmm... I did find this:

http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/product...oducts_id/42984

Hmm... I did find this:http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/product...oducts_id/42984

Looks almost exactly like the Turbo-Kits one in the past, which they have dropped from their catalog. Even uses the same package name - Turbo Specialties Extreme Turbo Kit. But the IC piping looks a little different - hard to tell from the photo. Not too bad of a price, but still highly doubtful it is a true bolt on affair. Still have yet to see one offered for the 8th gen Corolla - only successful ones that are floating around are the custom systems that were done by a shop of by a resourceful enthusiast.

Looks almost exactly like the Turbo-Kits one in the past, which they have dropped from their catalog. Even uses the same package name - Turbo Specialties Extreme Turbo Kit. But the IC piping looks a little different - hard to tell from the photo. Not too bad of a price, but still highly doubtful it is a true bolt on affair. Still have yet to see one offered for the 8th gen Corolla - only successful ones that are floating around are the custom systems that were done by a shop of by a resourceful enthusiast.

Maybe it's just missing from the picture, but I didn't see a exhaust manifold. It would not be a bolt on no matter what. Gotta find a oil source, and tap in to the oil pan for a oil return. Hopefully not, but maybe coolant too. Also, part of the bumper support might need to be cut for that IC to fit.

I know I've said it before, but I'll say it again. It would be better starting out with a turbo car. A used SRT-4 would be a cheap option. With a Corolla, the internals would always be a weak point, and the transmission might be too. Please, take this advise from someone who has built up cars that were already considered a sports car. You will always be chasing down weak points in the car. The last thing you want to worry about is a full engine rebuild. At least with the right turbo car, the engine is already built tough. Most if not all the drive train will hold up. You will just be stuck with wear parts, but even that can cost ya. You would be surprised how short of a life tires, brakes, suspension, clutch are when you start making a car faster. When you gotta replace just about every wear part on a car and upgrade it, it adds up very quickly. Also, with a SRT-4, you can get idiot ECU upgrades from Mopar, so you know the upgraded injectors will match the ECU. As much as people say, all you need is a s-afc, I've seen so many cars that were not tunned right. Not saying it can't be done, but it isn't as easy as installing a piggy back. Also, I wouldn't want to try and tune a car without a logger.

As for the exhaust manifold - its a log type (show stuck behind the turbocharger) - about the only way it will fit with our engine layout (intake up front, exhaust by firefall).

Yeah, very good points - Corolla makes an excellent daily driver - but performance like a sports car, um NO. Though you can turn the Corolla into a very good handling car for same amount of money, mods to the engine are another matter.

A lot of people forget that part of performance is that your consumables are really expensive as well. I see quite a few EVO's and STi's at my local Carmax dealership - most of the back story I find from the service/sales guys are that the cars were intially bought as birthday or high school graduation gifts (spoiled a$$ kids these days). Then the parents balked when presented a bill for $900 for "front brake service" and when the OEM Yokohama ADVAN A046 tires wear to the cords, from Junior's mad driving skillz, at 8K-10K miles (if they are lucky) and presented a bill for tire skins that run $300-$350 per. They end up on their lot.

I would jump on a newer SRT-4, Cobalt SS, EVO, STi, etc. out there (technical marvels that take economy underpinnings and turn out factory backed performers) - but with insurance premiums for these cars running close to what a car payment costs every month! - I'm looking towards other avenues. Cars like Pontiac GTO or WS6, Corvette, AMG C-series, BMW M-series, Audi S/RS series, etc. - no pocket rockets, more fun with more displacement.

As for the exhaust manifold - its a log type (show stuck behind the turbocharger) - about the only way it will fit with our engine layout (intake up front, exhaust by firefall).

Yeah, very good points - Corolla makes an excellent daily driver - but performance like a sports car, um NO. Though you can turn the Corolla into a very good handling car for same amount of money, mods to the engine are another matter.

A lot of people forget that part of performance is that your consumables are really expensive as well. I see quite a few EVO's and STi's at my local Carmax dealership - most of the back story I find from the service/sales guys are that the cars were intially bought as birthday or high school graduation gifts (spoiled a$$ kids these days). Then the parents balked when presented a bill for $900 for "front brake service" and when the OEM Yokohama ADVAN A046 tires wear to the cords, from Junior's mad driving skillz, at 8K-10K miles (if they are lucky) and presented a bill for tire skins that run $300-$350 per. They end up on their lot.

I would jump on a newer SRT-4, Cobalt SS, EVO, STi, etc. out there (technical marvels that take economy underpinnings and turn out factory backed performers) - but with insurance premiums for these cars running close to what a car payment costs every month! - I'm looking towards other avenues. Cars like Pontiac GTO or WS6, Corvette, AMG C-series, BMW M-series, Audi S/RS series, etc. - no pocket rockets, more fun with more displacement.

 

Ins is high on the EVO, STi. It's because they are wrecked all the time by young owners. If you want a M3, look at the cheaper 335i. I got to drive one. Sadly a 335xi with a auto, but it was still nice. A proper 6sp manual RWD would have probably made it perfect.

Or wait for the 1 series with the 335i engine. It would probably out perform the current M, but cost less. The next M gets a V8 tho with over 400HP.

The GTO doesn't have the best build quality. A vette would be a good answer, but that would cost more then a 335i too. The BMW just has such great refinement.

Displacement is nice, but the AWD turbo cars put down the power better. I have a AWD turbo and a RWD V8. I drive the V8 to keep miles off my baby, but if the road is slippery in any way, it's not very fun. Newer cars have traction control, but it can still be hard to get torque down to the ground with just two wheels. AWD cars just go. RWD tends to get put away for winter too.

ROTFLMAO! That is a great post. I especially like this reply to the post:

"This is such a bad idea, there is no control over the reaction, you could have unlimited power. Kind of like pluging an extension cord back into it's self, your going to blow $hit up, don't mess with stuff like this."

Great find.

I can't believe that DEI has made it to the Corolla forums. Funny stuff. What's funny is how serious people are taking it. Kind if like the guy who messed up his car by sucking in sand to port his intake manifold. I should make someone up cause it gets every ricers panties in a wod.

There is a company called PowerDyne that makes A/C bracket mountable pancake, oilfree super chargers that are very small and require little fabrication to use them. I would look in to them as a possible solution.



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