Noise When Starting 2009 Corolla

Thanks for the input

I dont think its the belt anymore I was looking at the engine when the car started and it sounded like the noise came from the the top of the engine

maybe something is wrong with the camshaft?

or will that sound different

I am having a similar problem, mostly on cold starts. I turn the ignition and as soon as the motor kicks in, there is this loud grinding sound for about one or two seconds. It only seems to do it when the motor has been off for at least a couple of hours. The degree of noise depends on the length of time it has been off (i.e. it is usually longest and loudest in the morning, shortest when you start up again after an hour).

I had my wife start it while I had the hood up and it is coming from the centre of the engine, under the top cover. I have also aborted the start. That is, when I began to hear the noise, I turned the motor off. When I restarted, the noise finished it's "cycle".

I have taken it to the dealer twice now and it never seems to be able to do it there. Help, I'm going crazy with this.

Check oil level first. They look for obvious issues - like missing or damage cables/wiring/hoses - any physical contact of those cables/wires/hoses with the engine. Can you localize the noise - is it to the left or right side of the engine (closer to the belt or closer to the air intake)? Does the sound go away when the car warms up? Ambient temperature seems to play a role?

 

VVTi system can make quite a bit of noise. Oil changes are done where? Some quick lube places use oil that is the wrong viscosity and/or cheap oil filters that could cause excessive engine noise. The upper valvetrain would be the first to suffer in those cases.

Since the car is still under warranty - I'd advise to bring it to the dealership and start some paperwork on it. If it turns out to be nothing now, but a problem down the road - atleast you have a paper trail to help you out.

I was at the toyota dealership on thursday when they tried to start the car it wouldnt make noise, this is the second time ive taken the car there. They told me to leave the car overnight or in the morning when i can so the engine is cold

The noise comes from the top of the engine from the centre of it or centre left

oil/brake/tire/ etc changes are done by them

@DaveB - yeah man its the exact problem how long have you had the car?

@DaveB - yeah man its the exact problem how long have you had the car?

Just into our third year, we are leasing. This problem began last fall.

 

The noise happens as soon as the engine kicks in. If you turn it off and start it again, it won't do it. You can start it 50 times. But leave it a couple of hours, start it and there's the noise again. This is what's making to so hard for the dealer to trace it down.

So, anyone have any answers?

I had a similar noise lately when I started my 2003 Corolla for a first time after it sat for 4 weeks (when I came back from my vacation).

I attributed that to momentary lack of oil in upper engine or VVT parts.

Since newer Corollas use 5W20 oil, maybe it drains quicker from the valves/VVT areas?

I would try 5W30 oil and compare the noise.

If the sound only happens right when the engine starts to turn over and catch - could be the starter bendix getting stuck or the starter not freewheeling like it should be. This fits the intermittent nature of the noise. Usually a stuck bendix happens only on the very first start of the day (cold start) that only improves with subsequent starts. After the starter/engine cools - the bendix will "stick" again, and not fully retract.

 

Since the car is within the powertrain warranty - the dealership should be able to measure the clearance between the bendix and flexplate teeth (automatic transaxle) or flywheel teeth (standard transaxle). If the clearance is too tight - it will stick or drag slightly - sort of like the sound of trying to start the car when it is already running (quick, sharp metallic grinding/gritty noise).

Trick is getting the dealership to reproduce the noise. Even an overnight stay might not be enough for an intermittent issue. Some cars also naturally "crank" longer - ie, you crank the key momentarily and the starter will keep cranking until the engine catches. Returnless fuel system (most vehicles have that now) and electronic throttle bodies (again most vehicles have it now) make it act less like the older cars.

Thank you for your input. It seems to fit the apparent problem. The noise almost always happens on first start in the morning, and subsequently only occurs again when you start after the engine has been off for at least an hour. The longer the engine has been off, the louder the noise is when starting. Perhaps I will suggest that they check the starter.

 

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I've been having the same exact problem with the exact same model car. It makes the noise on the first start in the morning. Then it will make a quicker noise when I leave for lunch. Same noise when I leave from work. Anything in between the noise will not occur. It only happens if the car sits for an hour or so. I took it in to Toyota and they blamed it on the serpentine belt. $160 dollars later and still the noise occurs. They want me to bring it in and leave it over night to replicate the problem. Has anyone gotten an answer to their problem?

I am having this same issue with my 2009 corolla. WHAT COULD THIS BE ????? I really need a fix for this. Help Help. We need to have some Toyota mechanics as members on the site so we can pick their brains..

I've had the same problem with my 2009 Corolla for a couple of months now and everytime i brought it to the Toyota dealer they claim its one thing or another and that it will get fixed by whatever crazyness they try on that day.

I received a call from them last week that my car needed to be brought in to get the recall on the gas pedal fixed. At which point I decided to record the noise on my phone because I knew the car would not mimick the sound at the dealer. The guy at the dealer said they would check it out... He called me later in the day to state that it was probably something to do with my car burning to much oil and they basically did an oil change and swore the noise had gone away. Duh! it only does it when the car has been off for some time. So I told the guy NO, I've had my oil changed before and the noise still returns in the morning. So he said you want us to keep it overnight and check again in the morning? I said hell yeah keep it. The next morning the car makes the noise for them HA what did I say. So he says the car has to be seen by a senior tech or someone along that line. At this point they can keep the car for all I care I'm sick of the problems it has had. Four days later I get a call and they say the car has a broken engine actuator (whatever that is) and once we fix that the noise will be gone. Well they called me today and said the car is ready and the noise is gone. We'll see.

I'm going to pick it up this afternoon and I will report back to all of you and see if this is finally the solution to this headache.

Hey what were the results of the repair? Did the problem go away?

Check this link out. In a short, your corolla has engine problem, like mine. Toyota is aware of it and sent out this bulletin a long time ago. I don't know why dealers have no clue and keep us running around. I finally found and printed out this bulletin and took to the dealer. Good luck.

http://www.empirepao.com/tsb/T-SB-0087-09.pdf

Check this link out. In a short, your corolla has engine problem, like mine. Toyota is aware of it and sent out this bulletin a long time ago. I don't know why dealers have no clue and keep us running around. I finally found and printed out this bulletin and took to the dealer. Good luck.

 

http://www.empirepao.com/tsb/T-SB-0087-09.pdf

Interesting, it's probably the same noise I've been hearing on my 07 for the last 3 winters as well as on my 06 that the dealers pegged as "normal".

Check this link out. In a short, your corolla has engine problem, like mine. Toyota is aware of it and sent out this bulletin a long time ago. I don't know why dealers have no clue and keep us running around. I finally found and printed out this bulletin and took to the dealer. Good luck.

 

http://www.empirepao...-SB-0087-09.pdf

This was also the fix for our 09 corolla, and replacement parts had to be shipped from Japan, which took forever. Bulletin info is correct and the camshaft timing gear is the part that has defect.

Check this link out.  In a short, your corolla has engine problem, like mine. Toyota is aware of it and sent out this bulletin a long time ago. I don't know why dealers have no clue and keep us running around. I finally found and printed out this bulletin and took to the dealer. Good luck.

 

http://www.empirepao...-SB-0087-09.pdf

Interesting! I notice a half-second-long "chirp" from my '09 S model, but thought it was only early-morning belt slippage. It doesn't happen when the car has warmed up. I will listen for it next time, and check my VIN. Thanks for the TSB link!!

Can someone tell me if the startup noise that is a subject to the TSB is knocking or grinding?

Thanks!

I am waiting for the report on your car. I have similar problems. The guys at the dealership just keep giving excuses.

I've had the same problem with my 2009 Corolla for a couple of months now and everytime i brought it to the Toyota dealer they claim its one thing or another and that it will get fixed by whatever crazyness they try on that day.

 

I received a call from them last week that my car needed to be brought in to get the recall on the gas pedal fixed. At which point I decided to record the noise on my phone because I knew the car would not mimick the sound at the dealer. The guy at the dealer said they would check it out... He called me later in the day to state that it was probably something to do with my car burning to much oil and they basically did an oil change and swore the noise had gone away. Duh! it only does it when the car has been off for some time. So I told the guy NO, I've had my oil changed before and the noise still returns in the morning. So he said you want us to keep it overnight and check again in the morning? I said hell yeah keep it. The next morning the car makes the noise for them HA what did I say. So he says the car has to be seen by a senior tech or someone along that line. At this point they can keep the car for all I care I'm sick of the problems it has had. Four days later I get a call and they say the car has a broken engine actuator (whatever that is) and once we fix that the noise will be gone. Well they called me today and said the car is ready and the noise is gone. We'll see.

I'm going to pick it up this afternoon and I will report back to all of you and see if this is finally the solution to this headache.

Just to give everyone a quick reply this did in fact do the trick with my car. I dont know if that is going to be the same deal on everyones car but it worked for me. I would suggest recording the noise on your phone like I did and insisting that they keep the car so they can hear the noise in the morning (which is when my car made the noise mostly). Good Luck to everyone.

I've had the same problem with my 2009 Corolla for a couple of months now and everytime i brought it to the Toyota dealer they claim its one thing or another and that it will get fixed by whatever crazyness they try on that day.

 

I received a call from them last week that my car needed to be brought in to get the recall on the gas pedal fixed. At which point I decided to record the noise on my phone because I knew the car would not mimick the sound at the dealer. The guy at the dealer said they would check it out... He called me later in the day to state that it was probably something to do with my car burning to much oil and they basically did an oil change and swore the noise had gone away. Duh! it only does it when the car has been off for some time. So I told the guy NO, I've had my oil changed before and the noise still returns in the morning. So he said you want us to keep it overnight and check again in the morning? I said hell yeah keep it. The next morning the car makes the noise for them HA what did I say. So he says the car has to be seen by a senior tech or someone along that line. At this point they can keep the car for all I care I'm sick of the problems it has had. Four days later I get a call and they say the car has a broken engine actuator (whatever that is) and once we fix that the noise will be gone. Well they called me today and said the car is ready and the noise is gone. We'll see.

I'm going to pick it up this afternoon and I will report back to all of you and see if this is finally the solution to this headache.

Check this link out. In a short, your corolla has engine problem, like mine. Toyota is aware of it and sent out this bulletin a long time ago. I don't know why dealers have no clue and keep us running around. I finally found and printed out this bulletin and took to the dealer. Good luck.

http://www.empirepao...-SB-0087-09.pdf

Interesting! I notice a half-second-long "chirp" from my '09 S model, but thought it was only early-morning belt slippage. It doesn't happen when the car has warmed up. I will listen for it next time, and check my VIN. Thanks for the TSB link!!

UPDATE: Printed out a copy of the T-SB and walked it in to my original dealer, Superior Toyota in Parkersburg, WV. The curly-headed blond lady behind the service desk couldn't have cared less about it. As if to tell me to "shove it", she asked my name and proceeded to tell me, after a brief scan at her computer monitor, that she didn't have my VIN on file. Can you imagine? The dealer from whom you purchased your Toyota HAS to keep your VIN on file, right? Right. So, I took the bulletin to my good friends at C & C Toyota Scion in Marietta, Ohio, and was told, in essence, "no problem, we'll take care of it". Now, THAT is how to be of service. I was also told they'd have to check it first thing some morning, which meant I'd have to leave it with them. As it turned out, that was going to be a problem, as they were so much further down the road than Superior.

So, the next day, as I was trying to figure out a way to get my 'Rolla to them, the noise disappeared. It did not appear the next day, either. Several days passed before the "chirp" reappeared. Seems it only occurs every 6-7 starts, so, I'm going to leave well enough alone.