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By Marcos, August 2, 2009



AHHHHH!

Who built your motor?!

As for what is worthwhile or not, depending on how much value you put into what aspects. Some might think that shooting $20K worth of paint on a car is worthwhile, some think pumping $10-$15 into an engine is worthwhile, up to the person.

Getting almost 9K-10K RPMS and boosting over 12PSI out of a 1ZZ-FE is pretty wild, with a modest budget - I'd say darn near impossible (need to post up some pics - or I call BS on this), and definitely not last too long. Unless the motor was built to hell and back, even then - those revs are pretty tough to obtain with the long stroke design of the 1ZZ-FE engine (91.5mm stroke/79mm bore). 7K RPMs I've seen, 8K RPMs is possible - but now you got enough money invested into it that you're pretty much committed to the project (i.e., designed/built the motor up to be oversquare to reduced the reciprocated mass to get up to those RPMs.)

If you started with a 2ZZ-GE - then I could see those revs, as that engine was designed from the start to be high revving (85mm stroke/82mm bore, special block design, cooling, lubrication, etc). Stock, they redline at 8200-8300 RPMs, and can run up to 9K RPMs on stock springs. With 25%-33% heavier - 10K RPMs is possible, but you will see excessive valvetrain wear and tear. There are development 2ZZ-GE that have spun up to 12K RPMS, heavily modified though.

Air-to-water intercooling is an interesting choice - could you enlighten us on that choice - was it yours or the tuner? Moding the fuel system to a return type from the OEM returnless is also widely done - depends on the tuner's backgroud. Power FC is a great choice of engine managment - good band for the buck there, but tuning will depend on the tuner's familiarity with the EMS system. Some tend to favor one or two manufacturers - since they have a library of maps that they pull from to set the baseline and go from.

Not sure why they are running cams, remove the VVT-i system (Power FC can control VVT-i) and then ultimately pull timing overall (unless I read your post incorrectly), especially if you running race fuel. Any details on the cams? Duration, lift, etc.?

Anyway - as far as the behavior of richening up at high RPMs - you'll have to ask the tuner of the engine. My first impression is that they purposely set the fuel map to enrich the mix as you are approaching redline to protect the engine from blowing up. Running a little rich will pull down combustion chamber temps and save the valves from getting burnt. Doesn't make the best power - but does save you from rebuilding the engine. When the engine is a not loaded down or run lightly - the fuel mix can approach stoichiometric or even run little lean to give you some efficiency.

AHHHH!!!!! Hey everyone, im sorry about the turbo post... I am so embarrased and humiliate d<IMG src="https://www.corolland.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif"> . When I left home from work i didnt turn off my computer and i left this site up. Some one at work thought it would be funny to make me look like an Idiot (You know who you are...). I am sorry about it, oh and Fishexpo good call on the bs. I only wish it were true, 10k rpms, i would be so stoked. Im just really embarrased i dont know how to apologize.

default_laugh Go Pistons!

No worries! Anything is possible with enough money. Seriously, you could build a "1ZZ-FE" to rev to 10K RPMs, problem would be by the end, it would resemble nothing like a 1ZZ-FE engine and probably set you back about $30K-$40K. There are a few undersquare engines that can rev pretty high - Audi (V8 and V10 engines) and Lamborgini (V8 and V10) are good examples.

oversquare engines are more fun though. instant torque=instant gratification.

Thanks for being understanding you guys. I feel like a complete ######.

We'll i am extremely commited to this project and I want to build something that is one of a kind so I dont mind spending some extra bank on it, although my girl says i shouldnt lol.

As an update I have the motor out of the car on a stand. I just finished fabing a set of custom headers for a Garett t4 turbo. Also I have (in the boxes still) an apexi power-fc, crower stage 3 cams from mwr, stainless steel valves, and mwr springs with titanium retainers, also have and AEM underdrive pully kit, AEM fuel rail, 550cc injectors, an Apexi ground kit, and a air to water intercooler. And from what fishexpo has told me I think im going to go ahead and buy the crank and rods. Also on order I have a Gtech lip kit, just to give the car a little more edge. I will post some pics as soon as i start to work on it. I havent started becuase its been above 105F over here and I really dont feel like getting dehydrated. Again thanks for the info Fish and just to let you know there are probably going to be alot more. I really appreciate the help, this is my first toyota build, I've done a couple of b18s and b16 but never to this extent so Im really looking forward to it.

oversquare engines are more fun though. instant torque=instant gratification.

I think you meant "undersquare". And while undersquare engines give better driveability and that stump-pulling low-end torque, it's the oversquare engines (think Formula 1 engines) that dominate those applications where high RPM power is needed.

Undersquare... If only I had money for a Lambo... Then I wouldnt be building a Corolla, right?

ah yea, i always get those reversed.

ah yea, i always get those reversed.

Yeah I got them mixed up to thats why I edited my post. LOL!



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