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Barbaro Dead, Victim Of Animal Cruelty

By texasrolla, January 30, 2007



Poor animal. Its suffering is finally over.

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Bikeman982

Poor animal. Its suffering is finally over.

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As long as people like to gamble and watch the horses run, there will be that type of cruelty to animals.

 

 

I could never figure how the world is made a better place by people betting on horses running around a track. Here in Delaware, we've developed an entire casino gambling industry at Dover Downs and three other horse racing venues around the state. Part of the slot machine "take" goes to provide purses for the horse races. As a result, many people have stuffed their life's savings into slot machines, creating a huge social problem. All to protect the "horse racing industry" -- the value of which still eludes me.

hmm, don't know about in the US but in Australia horse racing is part of our heratige. In fact, for Australia's largest race (Melbourne Cup) the city of Melbourne (about 3.5 million) has a public holiday.. its sport, that is all, to us. In australia, revenue from horse racing goes to the government, in general funds for schools etc.

Does horse racing benefit the community? At the races themselves the caterers, which includes charity organisations, clean up; on Melbourne Cup Day pubs/luncheon venues etc do a good trade. Its an event to share with friends, family and workmates. Horse racing in OZ is frequently a family affair; many tracks have 'kids day' etc.

A good gauge on 'animal cruelty' is the RSPCA is australia. As far as I know the RSPCA has never objected to horse racing. Yes, some trainers are cruel but most are not. This is another example of a fringe loony/pressure group (PETA) finding a crack in an otherwise fine facade and making a song and dance about it - like peak oilers, religous fundamentalists etc.

Please bear in mind that PETA's 2IC is an insulin dependant diabetic. Without the animal tested insulin she takes, she would be either real sick or dead. A hypocrite if ever there was one.

Yes, I WAS a vegetarian but I realised my own hypocrisy and ceased that particular behaviour. I mean, I still wore leather shoes...

I'd hardly call Barbaro (or any high-profile horse) a victim of cruelty. Yeah horse racing is stupid and cruel but this horse received much, much, much better care than any typical horse could even dream of. This horse was a cashcow for the owner so i'm betting (pun not intended) that they probably tried to take care of the best they could--gotta keep that money train rolling. If it would have been any run-fo-the-mill horse, it would have been put down at the track and turn into glue and dogfood months ago.

I agree....only Barbaro will be getting a nice cemetery plot and headstone for his efforts unlike his cousins that work on the ranch. I was pulling for him to make it though.

I'd hardly call Barbaro (or any high-profile horse) a victim of cruelty. Yeah horse racing is stupid and cruel but this horse received much, much, much better care than any typical horse could even dream of. This horse was a cashcow for the owner so i'm betting (pun not intended) that they probably tried to take care of the best they could--gotta keep that money train rolling. If it would have been any run-fo-the-mill horse, it would have been put down at the track and turn into glue and dogfood months ago.
As long as people like to gamble and watch the horses run, there will be that type of cruelty to animals.

Gambling can easily turn into an addiction, much like tobacco, alcohol, and sex. As long as there are addicts, there will be greedy businessmen & governments trying to make money on it.

Gambling should be illegal.

I'd hardly call Barbaro (or any high-profile horse) a victim of cruelty. Yeah horse racing is stupid and cruel but this horse received much, much, much better care than any typical horse could even dream of. This horse was a cashcow for the owner so i'm betting (pun not intended) that they probably tried to take care of the best they could--gotta keep that money train rolling. If it would have been any run-fo-the-mill horse, it would have been put down at the track and turn into glue and dogfood months ago.

It's irrelevant how this horse is treated when the media put its spotlight on it. Whenever an atrocity has the public's attention, you can be sure the actors are going to put on its best behavior. What is relevant is how race horses are treated when nobody but the owner is looking. If you had read the PETA article, you'd know these race horses have been bred by human for speed at the detriment of its health. What it means is race horses will die young of a painful death because its fast legs are not suited for its large frame. How would you feel if geneticist manipulate the DNA of an athelete runner so that he/she will grow extra long legs but he/she will also have painful knee problems at the age of 30? On top of that, PETA says owners drug their horses so they ignore their injury and run faster.

I've nothing against horse racing. The solution, I think, should be increased government regulation. Government should rigourously drug test animals, like they drug tested Lance Armstrong. Government should also ban race horses that have unnaturally skinny legs from the race. Similar to auto racing where there are restrictions on everything ranging from engine size to weigh, government could restriction horses bred with legs that are detrimental to the health of the horses.

I'd hardly call Barbaro (or any high-profile horse) a victim of cruelty. Yeah horse racing is stupid and cruel but this horse received much, much, much better care than any typical horse could even dream of. This horse was a cashcow for the owner so i'm betting (pun not intended) that they probably tried to take care of the best they could--gotta keep that money train rolling. If it would have been any run-fo-the-mill horse, it would have been put down at the track and turn into glue and dogfood months ago.

It's irrelevant how this horse is treated when the media put its spotlight on it. Whenever an atrocity has the public's attention, you can be sure the actors are going to put on its best behavior. What is relevant is how race horses are treated when nobody but the owner is looking. If you had read the PETA article, you'd know these race horses have been bred by human for speed at the detriment of its health. What it means is race horses will die young of a painful death because its fast legs are not suited for its large frame. How would you feel if geneticist manipulate the DNA of an athelete runner so that he/she will grow extra long legs but he/she will also have painful knee problems at the age of 30? On top of that, PETA says owners drug their horses so they ignore their injury and run faster.

I've nothing against horse racing. The solution, I think, should be increased government regulation. Government should rigourously drug test animals, like they drug tested Lance Armstrong. Government should also ban race horses that have unnaturally skinny legs from the race. Similar to auto racing where there are restrictions on everything ranging from engine size to weigh, government could restriction horses bred with legs that are detrimental to the health of the horses.

I'm neither for or against horse racing, but i personally would not file this whole situation under atrocity or cruelty. There are much more atrocious and cruel things (in the human world) happening not only in our country but in the world that could have used the media spotlight that some rich dude's pet took up for the past couple of months. I guess what i'm trying to say is i don't care, they're bigger things to worry about.

BTW not that has anything to do with the topic, but when was Lance Armstrong tested by the Goverment for drug use/doping? IIRC it's been done by whatever sactioning sporting body controlling whatever race he participated. For example if he said today "yeah, i doped all those years", i seriously doubt the Feds would be busting down his door to arrest him.

Bikeman982

Gambling should be illegal.
Gambling is some folks' only recreation.

 

 

Max

Living here in the Horse Capital of the World, I see overwhelming grief over Barbaro's death. He was born in my city, and won the Derby in my state. The farm owners here (many of whom I know) care deeply about these magnificent animals. Their grooms and trainers grow very close to the horses. Their vets hurt when they are lost. Barbaro's people did their best to save his life. And PETA? Oh, yeah, there's the voice of truth. If they'd ever been to a breeding shed and seen a live cover they'd have some clue of how horses are bred.

Gambling should be illegal.

Gambling is some folks' only recreation.

 

Then find some other form.

Should every form of behavior that could be construed as addictive be outlawed because a small percentage of the population have addictive personalities???

Gambling should be illegal.

Gambling is some folks' only recreation.

 

Then find some other form.

Not every form, but this form should be illegal, like cocaine, meth, and cigarettes. Even if a small percentage of the population is under the influence, a much larger percentage feels the ripple effect. Addicts of gambling is much likely to neglect their kids and probably blow their college savings. They get into trouble with loan sharks, and that effects the addicts' relationship with people around 'em. Also, whenever there is gambling, there is the mafia or organized crime. It is all just ugly.

If the government can tell me that I cannot drive without seat belt and airbags, I dam well think the government should be able to ban gambling or at least take progressive steps to eventually ban it like they're doing with cigarettes.

Wow so the government should control and regulate every aspect of our lives...

The horse broke its leg and had to be put down. Do you know how often that happens to non racing horses ?

Abuse is when people leave horses without food or water for weeks at a time… Barbaro never had a hungry day in his life…

Also, whenever there is gambling, there is the mafia or organized crime.
That is a pretty broad statement.

 

As for whether or not the government should ban it, that will not happen until that industry affects the pocketbooks of the government. Cigarettes were costing a ton in healthcare...get rid of them. Casinos pay a BUNCH of money in taxes...they will never be gone.

Addictions can be overcome, it just takes a bit of will power. I do not feel pity for those folks who can not muster the small amount of will power it takes (and I am speaking from experience with this comment).

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Horse racing is truly an amazing sport because horses are truly amazing animals. My grandfather owned a race horse, we treated that horse like it was made of solid 24k gold.

Those of you who advocate banning gambling are being overly zealous. Gambling is nothing more than a form of entertainment, you're trading some cash for a good time. The same thing can be said for going to a sporting event or a movie. Argue all you want that gambling is addictive, but so are sporting events. I know people who are willing to go to ridiculous ends and spend ridiculous amounts of money to go to sporting events, to the detriment of their families and their finances. How is that not addictive? For that matter, isn't sex addictive? Are we going to ban that too?

Bikeman982

Also, whenever there is gambling, there is the mafia or organized crime.

That is a pretty broad statement.

 

As for whether or not the government should ban it, that will not happen until that industry affects the pocketbooks of the government. Cigarettes were costing a ton in healthcare...get rid of them. Casinos pay a BUNCH of money in taxes...they will never be gone.

Addictions can be overcome, it just takes a bit of will power. I do not feel pity for those folks who can not muster the small amount of will power it takes (and I am speaking from experience with this comment).

In order to stop a bad habit, a person must want to stop.

 

Many people enjoy their addictions and have no intention of stopping.

Other people are unable (they don't have the will power) to stop their addiction.

I do not beleive that gambling should be banned; it will only lead to the 'mob' getting involved, and normal people becoming crooks. Same with alcohol. They tried prohibition in the USA, it failed. No western nation is really winning the war on drugs; so I don't think a war on tobacco or booze will help.

Having been through 12-step programs myself for alcoholism and eating disorders, I can also say that yes, all it is is will power that will lead you to success - but only in stopping your behaviour in the SHORT term. Usually when someone destroys themselves through addiction, it is for an underlying reason. For me it was anxiety, low self esteem, bordeom and other personality based issues. If these issues are not given to some sort of therapy, the old behaviour will return. For new behaviour, you need new thinking.

Stopping drinking and binge eating were the easy parts. I kicked the bottle on 28 March 2004, my final eating binge was on 2 September 2006. However, the twelve steps have helped me stayed stopped thruogh a daily admission of my problem, humility, honesty, and respect for others. Like, I stay away from the first drink because I know that there is a good chance that I will not be able to stop etc. With my diet I turn the problem over to a power greater than myself (Step 3), I just eat less and excercise, it is God that is making me thin and healthy default_smile

Bikeman982

Banning gambling or alcohol, or drugs will not prevent people from doing it, or using them.

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