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Busted Bolts

by Bikeman982, March 2, 2007



Bikeman982

On my 1994 project car from NJ I have been finding that there is quite a bit of rust.

It seems like most of the bolts break when trying to remove them.

How do you get the rest out when the head breaks off?

I have tried easy outs but they don't seem to work.

Some I have drilled and totally made the threads useless.

Others I have just left alone and figure I won't be able to use the welded nutplates.

What's the best way to get out a broken stud or bolt???

Pretty much if the screw extractors don't work - then you have to drill them out and rethread the holes.

try using an impact gun, its less likely to snap the bolts.

Hmm.. That's hard to get rid of.. When the head snaps off and you removed the screw, try to put some WD40 to remove some of the metal dusts or particles in there because you might mess the goovings and the new screw might get stuck in halfway...

Bikeman982

I have tried drilling them out and it usually just makes another hole next to the stuck broken bolt.

I did retap one and it worked, but most are pretty bad and unusable.

I have started wire-brushing and then oiling the bolts prior to trying to remove them.

I really hate the NJ rust. I might as well get a whole new assortment of hardware.

I got some replacement nuts and bolts from the local junkyard today.

There is a new OSH down the street and I can check out the automotive hardware.

Since I'm used to working on rusty vehicles, I spray down any bolt that I need to loosen with PB Blaster a day ahead of time. I'll also hit it again about 30 min before I'm ready to work. Even after all of that, some are just too far beyond help.

Bikeman982

Since I'm used to working on rusty vehicles, I spray down any bolt that I need to loosen with PB Blaster a day ahead of time. I'll also hit it again about 30 min before I'm ready to work. Even after all of that, some are just too far beyond help.
What do you do about the ones that snap??

 

How do you get the broken part out?

Pretty much like fish said, if the easy out bit won't work, you are stuck drilling out larger and tapping. I haven't found a good way around it.

You can try a left handed drill bit. Sometimes that will back out the bolt.

If that doesn't work, you can weld a new bolt onto the broken bolt and back it out that way.

... I spray down any bolt that I need to loosen with PB Blaster a day ahead of time.

I 2nd that...that stuff is great.

Bikeman982

You can try a left handed drill bit. Sometimes that will back out the bolt.

If that doesn't work, you can weld a new bolt onto the broken bolt and back it out that way.

That sounds interesting - I haven't seen that type of drill bit.

 

I have broken several bits while trying to drill them out.

Sometimes that drill bit will work....it helped me free a broken manifold bolt from the block in my jeep that had over 100K mi...

If trying to drill out the old bolt shaft is making a hole alongside the bolt, you may be trying to use too big a drill bit. I'd suggest drilling a very small and shallow guide hole in the center of the old bolt before you switch to a larger bit. And it helps to use oil on the bit. Try to use the largest bit possible that doesn't damage the threads. Everytime I try to use s a small extractor, it also breaks off. Use the biggest one you can.

Bikeman982

If trying to drill out the old bolt shaft is making a hole alongside the bolt, you may be trying to use too big a drill bit. I'd suggest drilling a very small and shallow guide hole in the center of the old bolt before you switch to a larger bit. And it helps to use oil on the bit. Try to use the largest bit possible that doesn't damage the threads. Everytime I try to use s a small extractor, it also breaks off. Use the biggest one you can.
I try to center the hole on the bad bolt, but it either ends up sliding to the side, or the drill bit breaks.

 

 

Bikeman982

If trying to drill out the old bolt shaft is making a hole alongside the bolt, you may be trying to use too big a drill bit. I'd suggest drilling a very small and shallow guide hole in the center of the old bolt before you switch to a larger bit. And it helps to use oil on the bit. Try to use the largest bit possible that doesn't damage the threads. Everytime I try to use s a small extractor, it also breaks off. Use the biggest one you can.

I try to center the hole on the bad bolt, but it either ends up sliding to the side, or the drill bit breaks.

 

I drilled the hole a little too large for the radiator hold down clamp and the nutplate came off.

 

I managed to get a nut on the other side and a bolt thru the clamp. It was a little tough, but I got it to tighten down.

I have numerous other broken bolts in the car. All the bolts on the radiator support are broken and so are the bumper mounts.

Also the splash guard bolts have all been broken off. The previous owner had some cheap wire ties holding the splash guards on.

I would like to get the broken bolts out and then put up the splash guards the standard way,

I will let you know what I end up doing.

It helps to punch the center of the broken bolt first. You can buy inexpensive spring loaded center punches which allows for one handed operation. Place the tip on the center of the bolt and push the punch. The spring snaps the punch tip forward and dimples the bolt to give you a spot to place the drill bit tip.

Jay

If trying to drill out the old bolt shaft is making a hole alongside the bolt, you may be trying to use too big a drill bit. I'd suggest drilling a very small and shallow guide hole in the center of the old bolt before you switch to a larger bit. And it helps to use oil on the bit. Try to use the largest bit possible that doesn't damage the threads. Everytime I try to use s a small extractor, it also breaks off. Use the biggest one you can.

I try to center the hole on the bad bolt, but it either ends up sliding to the side, or the drill bit breaks.

 

Bikeman982

I do use a punch and it makes a start for the drill, but as I drill it shifts to the side a little.

It seems like the surrounding metal is softer to drill than the stuck bolt.

I still have a lot of rusted, and stuck bolts in the car.

I don't know if it is worth trying to get them out.

If I ever have to change any of the exhaust parts I will have to break them off and replace them.

The entire exhaust is rusted very much. I may need to change it all to get CA emissions to pass.

I can't believe my current car passed the smog check when it is clearly not CA emission equipped.

Fortunately I have another year before it has to be tested again.

First get a get a good center dimple with your punch.

Then start the first 1/8" or so of the hole with the smallest drill you own.

I would recommend using an intermediate sized bit next before moving up to the correct sized drill for the application. If you try to start the hole with the final size, the bit tends to walk towards the path of least resistance.

Another thing to consider is the condition of the drill bit. Also, a split point bit will not walk like a standard bit.

I would recommend the Drill Doctor product if you do a lot of drilling into metals and concrete. The latest model makes it extremely easy to redress split points. The earlier models did a good job but you had to look at the bit closely (with magnifier) to watch the progress of your efforts. The very early models only did standard bits. Get the model that also does larger sized drill bits.

Mine is the smaller version at the bottom. I'll probably upgrade and sell the smaller version as I do like the performance of split points.

http://woodworker.com/images/ss/105-926.jpg

This is the model that easily redresses split points.

http://www.drilldoctorstore.us/drilldoctor2.html

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Jay in MA

I do use a punch and it makes a start for the drill, but as I drill it shifts to the side a little.It seems like the surrounding metal is softer to drill than the stuck bolt.

 

I still have a lot of rusted, and stuck bolts in the car.

I don't know if it is worth trying to get them out.

If I ever have to change any of the exhaust parts I will have to break them off and replace them.

The entire exhaust is rusted very much. I may need to change it all to get CA emissions to pass.

I can't believe my current car passed the smog check when it is clearly not CA emission equipped.

Fortunately I have another year before it has to be tested again.

Bikeman982

So the Drill Doctor is a tool that sharpens drill bits?

Is it cheaper than buying new drill bits?

I usually break the smaller drill bits pretty easily.

I think I put too much pressure on them when I am trying to drill.

Did you click on the link provided?

If you use them a lot you'll save a lot of money...good bits aren't cheap.

You are probably putting too much pressure on them because they are dull.

A dull tool is a dangerous tool...........

So the Drill Doctor is a tool that sharpens drill bits?Is it cheaper than buying new drill bits?

 

I usually break the smaller drill bits pretty easily.

I think I put too much pressure on them when I am trying to drill.

Bikeman982

I think I will look for some better quality, small drill bits to help drill the stuck bolts out.



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