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I currently use the standard WIX oil filters. I want to upgrade to a better oil filter. What would be a really good oil filter I can upgrade to. If there is a better filter out there I want to upgrade.

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WIX is a pretty good filter - hard to say exactly what is a "better" filter. Depends on what you need - more filtering capacity, finer filtering media, heavy duty filter can, etc. Some might like one brand over another for one reason or another - but that is pretty much the extent of it. Might be easier to say which filters to stay away from - can find lots of information on that online.

 

The bottom line is that most filters, even the crappy ones, will remove particle sizes that are way smaller than the engine cares about. What you really want to make sure is that the filter you choose will not overload with insoluables and then go into bypass mode. Put it another way - make sure the filter is actually filtering oil the entire OCI.

 

Only way to get good metrics for your car - run a crankcase of oil for a specific amount of time/distance with the filter - then run a UOA to see how well it is controlling insoluables and wear metals. If the numbers are not to your liking - try the same oil, same amount of time/distance with a different filter and repeat the UOA. See what those numbers are like.

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I'm pretty sure we already talked about this at length before - check back to some of your earlier posts on oil filters and UOA.

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As long as they haven't change the manufacturing lines of those tow brands - those are actually the exact same filter - different name, possible different ADV (doesn't really matter on the car, as the filter hangs upside down).

 

Note that the part numbers (size) you noted is larger than the OEM filter on the Corolla and your Camry. It is almost 1/3" wider diameter and 1 3/4" taller. It probably is OK to run, just make sure the filter seat on the car is clean before running a larger filter. Size of filter is popular with people running extended oil changes (10K miles +), as the bypass pressure is close the OEM filter, will thread on and still have enough clearance to not cause fitment issues. If you run 5K mile OCI, there really is no benefit from running this size of a filter unless you engine is showing excessive amount of insoluables in the used oil.

 

A safer filter size would be the so called "tall" filters - same diameter, just a touch over 1/2" taller than OEM - in the Purolator brand, it would be PL14477. Especially in cases if ground clearance could be remotely be an issue. Just a little bit more filter media - but still big enough for extended oil changes if the engine is running well. For comparison, the OEM sized filter in the Purolator is PL14476. You can cross then any which way with other makes. Head out to the parts store and compare the filter side by side to get a feeling of the differences in size.

 

IMO - the WIX branded filter would be a superior filter to the Purolator or Bosch - but up to you to decide. Everybody's cars are slightly different - some might like one brand/size/type of filter compared to others.

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Fish

What would be part # for tall filter in WIX brand.

I run a 5000 mile oil change interval. I am asking because I do not know.

Why would the tall filter be better than pl20195 filter that I noted. Could you explain more.

Did you ever use WIX XP filters. I heard they were bad. I wanted to know what you think.

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Don't know off the top of my head. You should be able to cross that over from the Purolator number on the WIX website or just run the application wizard to find the correct part number.

 

The tall filter (PL14477) is not necessarily better than the PL20195 filter - just that the filter you referenced is NOT originally spec'd for your cars, i.e., wrong size. Doesn't mean that people can't make it fit. This bigger filter is very popular with people running extended oil changes, as they want as much filtering media as possible to last the length of the extended oil change interval. That fact that is sized for the V6 Camry and similar platforms and that there usually is some extra meat on the filter pad on the base, means that it could work for some.

 

Because you plan on running a standard oil change interval (5000 miles) - running a non-spec, oversized filter will yield pretty close to no benefit. Worse case scenario - it could lead to an oil leak, causing some serious headaches down the line, since the filter base is physically larger than the original filter. Height could also be of a clearance issue, depending on application - 1 3/4" taller is a lot of height to take into account.

 

Better to start off with an OEM sized filter or the interchangeable "tall" filter. Both have the same diameter, same bypass opening pressure, same threads, only difference is the overall height of the oil case. They are considered directly interchangeable in the EPC.

 

I never used the WIX XP filter, but I have used WIX and NAPA filters (made by WIX) - especially in the cartridge setup in my Rav4 (cheaper than OEM filters). WIX XP was designed for extended oil change intervals - as such, it works better the longer it is on the car. Lots of the issues that you probably stumbled across on the internet was from its poor "beta ratios" or filtering capabilities. Don't read too much into those numbers - as even with the poorer initial filtering stats, the filter will still stop particles that cause most of the engine wear. But I can see why people don't like it - from a numbers standpoint, even compared to the cheapest oil filter - the WIX XP will stick get spanked on just the beta ratios. For my needs, my cars did fine with a "tall" filter, and UOA backed up numbers that showed it would have been good to 12K - 14K oil change interval.

 

Again - sounds you're reading too much into what brand of filter or what size of filter to run. Stick with OEM or OEM sized first - if you want to stay safe - get an idea of how it runs on the car (baseline), then you can experiment if you are still so inclined.

 

If you look at any of the posted UOA numbers online - you'll find that the type and sized of filters generally have very little influence on the wear numbers at the standard oil change intervals. Some still like one brand over another for a variety of reasons - buy much of the hype surrounding one vs the other is generally anecdotal in the grand scheme of things.

 

FWIW - my old Camry with almost 1/2 million original miles, had most of its oil changes running 5000 mile oil changes on the OEM or aftermarket OEM sized filters - the little dinky oil filter. Same oil filter that is OEM on our generations of Corollas and Camrys.

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How good are the OEM TOYOTA OIL. I agree with you why use a oil filter that is not speced for my car. I will OEM filter and interchangeable OEM tall filter.

Do you know the part # for the OEM TOYOTA TALL FITLER. I want to try it. If it is any good.

I looked up WIX part # for PUROPLATOR TALL FILTER pl14477 and got # 57145 I think it's right.

Sorry but I keep thinking 5,000 mile OCI is an EXTENDED OCI not standard. What milage starts EXTENDED OCI. Would that be 7,000 or higher.

Thanks.

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Technically, you can consider it extended if the interval is anything above and beyond the manufacturer's specification of a "normal" oil change interval.

 

Keep in mind that doing so, especially if the car is under warranty, could void any covered work on the car, if they can prove it was some oil related problem lead by extending the oil change.

 

How good is Toyota oil or oil filter? Both the Toyota branded oil (both conventional and synthetic motor oils) and the OEM filters are pretty good. Like they say, can't really go wrong with OEM parts.

 

Current PN for Toyota OEM filter (short): 90915-YZZF2

Current PN for Toyota OEM filter (tall): 90915-YZZF1

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Since you use the TOYOTA filters and like them I will try them. Do they have actual DENSO filters or TOYOTA filters are DENSO FILTERS.

I am going to stick with TOYOTA and WIX FILTERS.

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What is the difference between buying the OEM oil filter from a TOYOTA dealership or buying the oil filter directly from DENSO. Is there a quality difference.

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^^^ Sounds like a little higher than MSRP retail price to me. Retail list runs between $5.41 to $5.38, according to my source.

 

I get them for less, but I also buy a block of them at a time (10 filters). I think I paid less than $4 a filter, something like $3.39 each.

 

Try a Toyota online parts dealership - like 1sttoyotaparts.com or similar - should be quite a bit less. Think they sell them for $4 or so + shipping.

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