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Next New Car: To Be Or Not To Be Toyota

Toyota Motor Company - as good as it gets, or are there better choices  

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  1. 1. If you had to buy a new car in the next couple of months, would you choose Toyota?

    • Yes, Toyota still makes the most reliable vehicle out there for the money
    • No, Toyota has sat too long on its reputation, competitors are making better vehicles for your hard earned money
    • Maybe, depends if they start stepping up their vehicle's quality, go back to what made Toyota legendary in the first place


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my 2013 Rolla S is the first Toyota product I have owned. I am satisfied with the choice and to be honest initially I chose to purchase it was because it was a good deal at the time and it has the reputation to outlast me. That being said I do believe Toyota has relied to much on there reputation up until several years ago. Mind you only in North America as the 10th gen Corolla came standard with a 6 speed manual and in some markets with CVT (I do believe). Of course in other countries the corolla is more up market than in the US, even in Canada the Corolla was available with features that were not available in the US. I think Toyota is starting to turn the tide and are now realizing they have to offer more and modern tech to compete. The Camry is refreshed for 2015 and while the new Corolla is great I do agree the missed one thing on it. While I'm not a boy racer I find the 9th and 10th Corolla S and XRS were good lookers that were set apart from the other models (side skirt, spoiler ETC) I think it was done tastefully. The new S is no different than the others. Lip spoiler? that is the same as the ECO one. the only difference is the front bumper cover. I think the S should have a skirt package like previous and I think it would be wise for Toyota to bring back the XRS. All that said I have no issues with my '13 and will not trade it in as I am a sensible guy and if it aint broke then I don't need to fix it. If I were in the market for a new vehicle.........I would consider the new rolla but I am really liking the new Nissan Micra (sorry guys that is Canadian only)

 

You hit it right on the head with Toyota styling. Toyota styling is like a newly constructed home - muted, non-offensive colors and trim. Being conservative in nature, Toyota generally doesn't stray too far from their original design - if you look at their reviews, conservative, non-offensive, clean are words that are most mentioned. But that can also be a two way sword - some people may say the styling is generic, boring, bland, uninspired - others want something that stands out. If Toyota reliabily was a strong as they used to be - then I'd say styling would be easily be a non-issue. But given some spotty quality control issues, their competition is closing fast with as reliable hardware with much stronger styling/performance for the same amount or even less money. Maybe with the new Toyota leadship - they will push to got back to Toyota's roots of reliability + add some leading edge styling.

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Fish

I ordered sampling kit. I was going to change my oil. Then at the end I was going to take sample container and dip it into used oil container to get sample. Why do they not want you to do it that way and rather get it as oil is draining put.

Fish should I also do TAN TEST

FRANK

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^^^ Start a new topic - this is getting way off the main topic.

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Fish

Sorry for going of topic. Yes I did start a new topic. I put it in corolla preferences.

Frank.

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Love my '09 Corolla S, which is my first Toyota, but have to say I'm not too impressed with the 11th generation version. If I had to choose a Toyota, it would be the Camry or RAV4. But if I didn't have to choose a Toyota, I'd go with either the Hyundai Elantra GT, Mazda 3, Mazda CX5, Mazda 6, Subaru XV Crosstrek, or Subaru Legacy.

 

Toyota have forgotten what made me a first-tiime Corolla owner (and I'm not kidding): an upper glove box, spare change coin box, a carry tray in the trunk for a gallon of milk (the salesman made a particular point about that), two--count 'em--two 12 V outlets, room in the back for me to "sit behind myself", and 40+ mpg highway.

 

Okay, the new 'Rolla will prolly achieve the same mileage, but has anyone sat in the back of one? Not only is there less head room, your head is right up against the top of the door. Really, there isn't as much room in the back as Toyota want us to believe.

 

But since my Corolla's mileage is only a smidgen over 36,000, I shouldn't have to look for a new car anytime soon. Will Toyota have their act together by then? Who knows.

 

Toyota is planning to eventually axe the Corolla chassis, as it kept growing in size and may eventually compete against its stable mate, the Camry. From what I've read - the new Corollas will be based on the current Yaris platform. That's why I'm keeping my 8th gen - the front seats have more leg room than the 9th gen Corollas. On the 2nd gen Matrix (10th gen Corolla platform) - they increased the amount of room significantly. But surprisingly, our 2009 Matrix XRS feels a lot smaller than our 2003 Matrix XRS, even though dimensionally they are almost the same.

 

I agree - the little storage features seem to disappear on the new models. Hooks and extra storage removed to make way for more electronic content. Fortunatley, the Rav4 doesn't disaapoint with storage. Lots of covered bins and because we got the 3rd row delete option - we have a huge covered storage well to stuff pretty much anything we want.

 

Fish,

 

Yeah, I know Toyota downsized the Corolla Axio for the Japanese Domestic Market in response to government tax schemes. It's much smaller than the US model, yet retains thoughtful features like an upper glove box, flat rear floor, spare change storage, and more. Looks like a good little car; if they offered it here, I'm sure it would sell. But, it seems--at least to me--that Toyota believe Americans share a like mind when it comes to what we want in our vehicles. To me, it looks as though Hyundai and KIA are making a better "Corolla" than Toyota are. I've seen many more new Elantras than I have the new 'Rolla, that's for sure.

 

Word has it Scion will bring the Auris hatch here. That'd be pretty cool.

 

http://toyota.jp/corollaaxio/

 

Mike

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Corolla Mike

I hope Toyota does not do away with the corolla. It is my most favorite car Toyota has. I have a 2005 corolla. I do not like the CAMRY at all. I will never own one. I like the Camry of the 90's. The ones that had the S engine and full tire in the trunk. When the Camry got rid of these 2 things I will never buy one again because it went down hill.

Frank

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Fish,

 

Yeah, I know Toyota downsized the Corolla Axio for the Japanese Domestic Market in response to government tax schemes. It's much smaller than the US model, yet retains thoughtful features like an upper glove box, flat rear floor, spare change storage, and more. Looks like a good little car; if they offered it here, I'm sure it would sell. But, it seems--at least to me--that Toyota believe Americans share a like mind when it comes to what we want in our vehicles. To me, it looks as though Hyundai and KIA are making a better "Corolla" than Toyota are. I've seen many more new Elantras than I have the new 'Rolla, that's for sure.

 

Word has it Scion will bring the Auris hatch here. That'd be pretty cool.

 

http://toyota.jp/corollaaxio/

 

Mike

 

 

Yeah, waiting to see if Toyota/Scion brings back a hatchback into their lineup, since they axed the Matrix - that would be pretty awesome. I agree - hopefully Toyota starts to bring their JDM offerings to our domestic market, more of less undisturbed. There is a market for those cars here - maybe with the younger Toyoda manning the helm at Toyota, we may see it eventually.

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Fish,

 

Yeah, I know Toyota downsized the Corolla Axio for the Japanese Domestic Market in response to government tax schemes. It's much smaller than the US model, yet retains thoughtful features like an upper glove box, flat rear floor, spare change storage, and more. Looks like a good little car; if they offered it here, I'm sure it would sell. But, it seems--at least to me--that Toyota believe Americans share a like mind when it comes to what we want in our vehicles. To me, it looks as though Hyundai and KIA are making a better "Corolla" than Toyota are. I've seen many more new Elantras than I have the new 'Rolla, that's for sure.

 

Word has it Scion will bring the Auris hatch here. That'd be pretty cool.

 

http://toyota.jp/corollaaxio/

 

Mike

 

 

Yeah, waiting to see if Toyota/Scion brings back a hatchback into their lineup, since they axed the Matrix - that would be pretty awesome. I agree - hopefully Toyota starts to bring their JDM offerings to our domestic market, more of less undisturbed. There is a market for those cars here - maybe with the younger Toyoda manning the helm at Toyota, we may see it eventually.

 

 

Fish,

 

Was wondering, do you think this latest iteration of the Corolla could be a "transition" car from its current size to one built like the JDM version? The Axio is built on a Yaris platform. Details are at toyota.jp. Interesting what they did with the Axio. There is an overall sense of thoughtfulness to its design that I find lacking in what they're bringing over here.

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Corolla Mike

I hope Toyota does not do away with the corolla. It is my most favorite car Toyota has. I have a 2005 corolla. I do not like the CAMRY at all. I will never own one. I like the Camry of the 90's. The ones that had the S engine and full tire in the trunk. When the Camry got rid of these 2 things I will never buy one again because it went down hill.

Frank

 

Doubt they'll do away with it, although the Corolla is about the same size as the Camry from 20 years ago. C-segment cars have it a little rough these days in terms of just exactly what they are. They're not too little, but still, they rival their sedan siblings in size and content. And there's the rub: Buy a loaded Mazda 3 and you'll have more in it than you would a comparable Mazda 6. Same with the Corolla: A fully-decked-out one will cost about the same or more than a Camry SE. That's crazy! Same with Ford, Hyundai... you name 'em.

 

My wife had an '02 Focus, and she loved it. Wanna know what she really, really liked? It had a spare change box, which they deleted from her '09 Focus. She HATES that. As car buyers, what we want is thoughtfulness. Really, at the end of the day, we want a vehicle which seems like our buddy. And I think that was the charm with the Toyotas and Subarus and Datsuns (now Nissan) of yesteryear. In short, they've gotten a little "too big for their breeches", and have forgotten the core appeal of what they made a decade or so ago.

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Fish,

 

Was wondering, do you think this latest iteration of the Corolla could be a "transition" car from its current size to one built like the JDM version? The Axio is built on a Yaris platform. Details are at toyota.jp. Interesting what they did with the Axio. There is an overall sense of thoughtfulness to its design that I find lacking in what they're bringing over here.

 

 

That is very possible. Toyota tends to be risk adverse - so if there are changes to be pushed down from corporate level, doing so with an transitional platform/model would be the less "shocking" to its conservative base.

 

Could the hint of TNGA - Toyota New Global Architecture.

 

Example this new plug in Hybrid concept from 2012:

toyota-ns-4-plug-in-hybrid.jpg

 

Sort of Alfa-Romeo flavor in there. Not a bad thing for Toyota, considering its more conservative stock.

 

Design features are hit or miss, depending on the market you are catering to. Features that you or I might find useful or well laid out, others may find insignificant. But sometimes, you have to push these features out there and just see what happens. Sort of like our 1st gen Matrix - didn't really impress us at first, but once you see those seemingly minuscule features become quite handy, we eventually gres to love that little car. Example: rear seat backs are hard plastic, and flat - seems odd until you fold them - then they make a perfect flat load floor with the hatch lip almost level. Even more clever - are the smooth rubber strips imbedded in the plastic, shaped to let you slide stuff in but also prevents those items from shifting during transist. They coupled that with two rails that you can attach mini D-rings that can slide up and down the length of the load floor. With those and the side D-rings - I could secure even the most oddly shaped items in the back.

 

Hopefully with the Sciburu twins (Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ) and hints of a new Supra/Celica coming soon - we may see Toyota back on track.

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Fish,

 

Was wondering, do you think this latest iteration of the Corolla could be a "transition" car from its current size to one built like the JDM version? The Axio is built on a Yaris platform. Details are at toyota.jp. Interesting what they did with the Axio. There is an overall sense of thoughtfulness to its design that I find lacking in what they're bringing over here.

 

 

That is very possible. Toyota tends to be risk adverse - so if there are changes to be pushed down from corporate level, doing so with an transitional platform/model would be the less "shocking" to its conservative base.

 

Could the hint of TNGA - Toyota New Global Architecture.

 

Example this new plug in Hybrid concept from 2012:

toyota-ns-4-plug-in-hybrid.jpg

 

Sort of Alfa-Romeo flavor in there. Not a bad thing for Toyota, considering its more conservative stock.

 

Design features are hit or miss, depending on the market you are catering to. Features that you or I might find useful or well laid out, others may find insignificant. But sometimes, you have to push these features out there and just see what happens. Sort of like our 1st gen Matrix - didn't really impress us at first, but once you see those seemingly minuscule features become quite handy, we eventually gres to love that little car. Example: rear seat backs are hard plastic, and flat - seems odd until you fold them - then they make a perfect flat load floor with the hatch lip almost level. Even more clever - are the smooth rubber strips imbedded in the plastic, shaped to let you slide stuff in but also prevents those items from shifting during transist. They coupled that with two rails that you can attach mini D-rings that can slide up and down the length of the load floor. With those and the side D-rings - I could secure even the most oddly shaped items in the back.

 

Hopefully with the Sciburu twins (Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ) and hints of a new Supra/Celica coming soon - we may see Toyota back on track.

 

 

So, Toyota can build 'em like no one else--with thoughtful design and ingenuity at every turn--or they can build 'em like everyone else, and make themselves just another car company.

 

Speaking of the Matrix, we looked at one when deciding on the Corolla. I remember that if you wanted alloys and other options that made it a very good car, it cost about as much as the larger RAV4. In a point I made with Bull, above, that at the moment, C-segment cars are sort of caught in the middle. They have options you can't get in a B-segment vehicle, but when optioned out, cost as much or more than a family-sized version.

 

I think it's interesting to note that while Ford, Hyundai, KIA, Mazda, and VW have hatch versions of their C-segment cars, Toyota have yet to make a suitable competitor. Sure, with the advent of the Auris here in the States, that's all well and good until you consider not all Toyota dealers are Scion dealers. So even still, Toyota, by their own hand, will limit their market share.

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Next generation 2016~2017 model year Civic already spied.

 

http://wot.motortrend.com/1411_spied_2016_17_honda_civic_undergoes_dramatic_redesign.html

 

Honda is determined to return the all-new Civic as the benchmark of the segment. It will wear a swooping fastback design, almost like a scaled-down Porsche Panamera.

 

http://www.livelifedrive.com/malaysia/news/view/200626/2017-honda-civic-to-gain-vtec-turbo-type-r-to-return

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Hmm. Looks interesting - looks a lot longer than the previous generation Civic, but hard to judge scale without something known in the picture. Dual exhausts? They generally only hide the body work, they don't usually "add" stuff to the car to mask the end product.

 

Can't wait to see it.

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Beside dual exhaust, I figure that the humps on the hood are hiding grilles/vents as seen on the also upcoming Type-R, since North America will see the new sedan/coupe version of the Civic, as opposed to hatchbacks in Europe.

 

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/honda-civic-type-r-finally-will-arrives-at-us-coasts-1653681508

 

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Honda is investing $ 857,000,000 in its 3 car plants in Alliston, Ontario, Canada, to build the next generation Civic.

 

Honda said the new funding will make the operation a teaching plant for all other Honda facilities... Alliston, about 90 kilometres north of Toronto, is becoming the first Honda plant in the world to launch the next generation Civic into mass production, and will develop the processes and tooling trials that will form the manufacturing base at all Honda plants worldwide, the company said.

Interview with Honda Canada president and CEO: http://www.bnn.ca/News/2014/11/6/Honda-to-invest-800-million-at-Ontario-manufacturing-plant.aspx

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/honda-to-invest-857m-in-3-alliston-plants-in-ontario-1.2825806

http://business.financialpost.com/2014/11/06/honda-to-invest-857-million-in-alliston-operations-ontario-kicks-in-10/

Alliston's Honda plant is the auto manufacturer that is closest to my remote nothern town (site of GMC Cold Weather Testing Facility)... Hell, we're in the same '705' telephone area code. B)

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