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Brendon,

 

Your comparison between your '98 SC400 and any stock Mustang is poor at best, if not irrelevant.

 

I can make your '98 SC look like a piece of crap compared to my neighbor's '87 Jaguar XJS12 convertible, but that is hardly a fair comparison since his car cost more in 1987 than your car cost in 1998, even if you compare dollar to dollar without adjusting for inflation.

 

Your Lexus is most comparable to a Jag XK8, a BMW 6 series, or a Mercedes CLK. When you compare your Lexus to those it isn't so easy to denounce the other cars, is it?

 

Compare a Mustang to it's real competition, a Firebird or a Camaro and then call it a piece of crap. I'll not argue with that, since obviously the mighty 5.7L V8 can whoop the 4.6L V8 in the Mustang anytime. The Firebird has it all over the Mustang in terms of quality, style, performance and reliability.

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When i said that the stangs have no space, I meant the interior. The cabin is tight and small. the back seats have no leg clearance. My head hits the rear windshield. Its just not comfortable. period. I dont know about you, but I hate my head hitting the inside of my car. Its very torquey I'll give you that and I do agree. Its peppy no doubt. But I seriously think my corolla can keep up with an entry level stang v6 210hp.

 

I hate to break it to you, but V6 Mustangs are for girls who want a cool looking car that doesn't have any performance aspect whatsoever.

 

Umm, I also hate to break this news to you, but the backseat in the Mustang was not meant to be inhabited by humans. Certain cars have backseats so they can be marketed as 4 seat cars for insurance purposes. The Mustang falls into this category. So do 3 series BMW coupes and convertibles, most any 4 seat convertible, any modern muscle car, and even some 4 door cars. The backseats in these cars are almost always empty, or when not empty, they are used for shopping bags, backpacks and little dogs.

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ummmmmm......I dont just write stangs suck because they are fords. I say stangs suck because I've driven one and they do suck. I suppose American ideology of producing a car is muscle with no handling. A GT500 will ski all over the track because there is so much torque that all it does is just spin the rear tires. Its a good drag car and because it doesnt like to keep traction on turns I suppose its good for drift - the new hot thing now.

 

When i said that the stangs have no space, I meant the interior. The cabin is tight and small. the back seats have no leg clearance. My head hits the rear windshield. Its just not comfortable. period. I dont know about you, but I hate my head hitting the inside of my car. Its very torquey I'll give you that and I do agree. Its peppy no doubt. But I seriously think my corolla can keep up with an entry level stang v6 210hp.

 

I'm not assuming that Fords are bad. I think the new stangs look good in the front and sides. Its got a good retro look. I hated the 80s and 90s stang with a passion. But thats why its so hot, it looks good. If ford is producing such pieces of gold to ever set foot on earth, why are they asking toyota for help. Lowest sales ever for ford. And....its calculated 10 years before ford can make a profit again. Ford needs to build its rep. They can make a good car but no one will believe them because they dont have rep anymore. Toyota does and thats what matters. REPUTATION = TRUST/FAITH

 

So, you drove the base version of a car and think that it is a fact that Mustangs are bad? The base V6 is just that, the base/starter car. Also, you are dead wrong on American cars and corners. Get your facts straight before you start talking garbage about something you no nothing about. In the past, pony cars with big engines were pretty much only good for going in straight lines, but American car makers have been working against that for some time. The newer top end stangs can do more then go in a straight line. I haven't been behind the wheel of the new Shelby, but the SCed Cobra before that was amazing. The new one is a good performer overall, and a great performer for the price.

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Brendon,

 

Your comparison between your '98 SC400 and any stock Mustang is poor at best, if not irrelevant.

 

I can make your '98 SC look like a piece of crap compared to my neighbor's '87 Jaguar XJS12 convertible, but that is hardly a fair comparison since his car cost more in 1987 than your car cost in 1998, even if you compare dollar to dollar without adjusting for inflation.

 

Your Lexus is most comparable to a Jag XK8, a BMW 6 series, or a Mercedes CLK. When you compare your Lexus to those it isn't so easy to denounce the other cars, is it?

 

Compare a Mustang to it's real competition, a Firebird or a Camaro and then call it a piece of crap. I'll not argue with that, since obviously the mighty 5.7L V8 can whoop the 4.6L V8 in the Mustang anytime. The Firebird has it all over the Mustang in terms of quality, style, performance and reliability.

 

Actually the Mustang is probably better in reliability. While the GM 5.7L is great, the rest of the Camaro and Firebird didn't hold up that well. That is coming from a GM mechanic too, not me. The GM engines also has more displacement and they run on premium fuel while the Mustang runs on 87. Car magazines have always compared them side by side, but they have never really been in the same power or price class. At least not in any recent years. Mustangs rarely ever go above 5l in displacement. Aside from the new Cobra, and a pretty rare Cobra R, I don't think the Mustang has had anything over a 5l since the old Shelby Mustangs.

 

They are pretty decent performers for what they are. Also, mustangs have always been pretty limited in power from the factory, but they come with very stout engines that can take on tons of bolt on mods and lots of weekend fun without needing repair. I think the heart of the Mustang GT is to make many owners happy, but for others that need more, they are pretty easy and cheap to mod and they don't break down. Parts are pretty cheap too. I smashed a rim on some busted railroad tracks on mine, and I got a 16" pony rim from Ford Racing delivered for around $170. That isn't bad at all for a factory rim in the size that I got. In fact, that's just down right cheap.

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So, back to the turbo thing. If you do turbo your car, why not use a garret t25? They spool like mad and would be perfect for a low boost application. Also, they flow like water used. Maybe even look in to the t25bb. I'd look at smaller quick spooling turbo's no matter what you decide to go with. They shouldn't have any problem holding small amounts of boost till redline.

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ummmmmm......I dont just write stangs suck because they are fords. I say stangs suck because I've driven one and they do suck. I suppose American ideology of producing a car is muscle with no handling. A GT500 will ski all over the track because there is so much torque that all it does is just spin the rear tires. Its a good drag car and because it doesnt like to keep traction on turns I suppose its good for drift - the new hot thing now.

 

When i said that the stangs have no space, I meant the interior. The cabin is tight and small. the back seats have no leg clearance. My head hits the rear windshield. Its just not comfortable. period. I dont know about you, but I hate my head hitting the inside of my car. Its very torquey I'll give you that and I do agree. Its peppy no doubt. But I seriously think my corolla can keep up with an entry level stang v6 210hp.

 

I'm not assuming that Fords are bad. I think the new stangs look good in the front and sides. Its got a good retro look. I hated the 80s and 90s stang with a passion. But thats why its so hot, it looks good. If ford is producing such pieces of gold to ever set foot on earth, why are they asking toyota for help. Lowest sales ever for ford. And....its calculated 10 years before ford can make a profit again. Ford needs to build its rep. They can make a good car but no one will believe them because they dont have rep anymore. Toyota does and thats what matters. REPUTATION = TRUST/FAITH

 

So, you drove the base version of a car and think that it is a fact that Mustangs are bad? The base V6 is just that, the base/starter car. Also, you are dead wrong on American cars and corners. Get your facts straight before you start talking garbage about something you no nothing about. In the past, pony cars with big engines were pretty much only good for going in straight lines, but American car makers have been working against that for some time. The newer top end stangs can do more then go in a straight line. I haven't been behind the wheel of the new Shelby, but the SCed Cobra before that was amazing. The new one is a good performer overall, and a great performer for the price.

 

Ok fine, here's my research.....that stangs are all muscle and cant handle for anything

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NZpS_gndDE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCtswmi2xpM

here's my research that the stang cannot handle that well! If you don't respect top gear then you seriously suck balls at night :D

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Whooohoo, top gear, my favorite show ever.

 

You actually made the Mustang look good compared to a car that was only built to do one thing, take corners.

 

Jeremy Clarkson also showed a Mitsu EVO out performing a Lamborghini on their test track.

 

The show is great, I love it, but in the end, it is for entertainment, so don't take the show as gospel.

 

Again, you are comparing apples and oranges. I guess I could compare your car to a lotus and call it garbage if it can't keep up with it on a track. That would be fair right?

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Whooohoo, top gear, my favorite show ever.

 

You actually made the Mustang look good compared to a car that was only built to do one thing, take corners.

 

Jeremy Clarkson also showed a Mitsu EVO out performing a Lamborghini on their test track.

 

The show is great, I love it, but in the end, it is for entertainment, so don't take the show as gospel.

 

Again, you are comparing apples and oranges. I guess I could compare your car to a lotus and call it garbage if it can't keep up with it on a track. That would be fair right?

Yes that would be comparing apples to oranges and yes my car would lose to a lotus, lambos, evo8 lp400's. But top gear thought it was a fair race. They are the same price by the way. I think it depends on what a person wants in a car; handling or speed. I personally prefer handling/acceleration/braking over speed because handling is far more safer than being a rocket car that cant turn for anything. And to think that no other person in the world can turn the way a lotus can makes me all wet! :lol:

But I wasn't showing how well it could keep up with other cars. My objective was to merely point out the performance of a gt500 and thats all. I mean many cars can beat a gt500 and the gt500 can beat many cars. I just wanted to show that many critics say that the handling of the car is "rubbish", slides everywhere - by that i mean easily able to slide, and the "suspension is something that ford has never heard of before". Its a good muscle car. Muscle cars have always been renowned for going fast but not around corners. Lots of critics also think that the interior is cheap and not much thought was put into it. I'd have to say, the car looks good and goes fast but cant handle.

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Whooohoo, top gear, my favorite show ever.

 

You actually made the Mustang look good compared to a car that was only built to do one thing, take corners.

 

Jeremy Clarkson also showed a Mitsu EVO out performing a Lamborghini on their test track.

 

The show is great, I love it, but in the end, it is for entertainment, so don't take the show as gospel.

 

Again, you are comparing apples and oranges. I guess I could compare your car to a lotus and call it garbage if it can't keep up with it on a track. That would be fair right?

Yes that would be comparing apples to oranges and yes my car would lose to a lotus, lambos, evo8 lp400's. But top gear thought it was a fair race. They are the same price by the way. I think it depends on what a person wants in a car; handling or speed. I personally prefer handling/acceleration/braking over speed because handling is far more safer than being a rocket car that cant turn for anything. And to think that no other person in the world can turn the way a lotus can makes me all wet! :lol:

But I wasn't showing how well it could keep up with other cars. My objective was to merely point out the performance of a gt500 and thats all. I mean many cars can beat a gt500 and the gt500 can beat many cars. I just wanted to show that many critics say that the handling of the car is "rubbish", slides everywhere - by that i mean easily able to slide, and the "suspension is something that ford has never heard of before". Its a good muscle car. Muscle cars have always been renowned for going fast but not around corners. Lots of critics also think that the interior is cheap and not much thought was put into it. I'd have to say, the car looks good and goes fast but cant handle.

 

I'm still not sure what point your trying to make. Or if you are just typing up pointless post just to stir up trouble.

 

The Mustang GT500 does corner well, and the British don't even like American cars in the first place. They are never going to really have anything nice to say about them. With that said, they also don't care for Japanese cars that much either. Both get bashed for having plastic interiors.

 

The GT500 does .90 or .93 Gs on the skidpad, depending on who tested it. The Lexus SC, about .85Gs. So, does that mean that the Lexus SC is garbage and that Toyota doesn't know how to do suspension too? Also, they tested the Lotus Exige S and that cost about 20K more then GT500. Not sure why you thought they cost the same, but they don't. Also, you could put just about any car, no matter how much it cost, on a really tight track against that lotus, and it wouldn't look very good. Even if it's a great car, the lotus would probably still take it on that tight of a track. The GT500 is a 45K car, and it is worth what it sells for. Why you would compare it to cars that cost more, and the one car company that is renowned for cars that handle is beyond me. That doesn't prove that the Mustang can't take corners.

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Here is my last post on the mustangs cornering abilities.

 

"Yet even with the far cushier ride, handling has improved. Not even the most recent independent-rear-suspension SVT Cobra can match the new GT's skidpad grip, which now also surpasses a Nissan 350Z Touring's, come to think of it" (source- http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtests/8778...g-gt-page2.html ).

 

Next time, please get your facts straight before you make crap up, or simply post your opinion as fact. Or simply just post whore for the fun of it.

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Sorry twinky, brendon and gvr, but I've come here to ruin your day and set the story straight from a true mustanger who has been there and done that. I've underlined the parts pertaining to each of you:

 

 

I used to own a 99' Mustang V6. I bought it my senior year in HS brand new for about $20,000 after saving up all my money. You're right Brendon, the SC400 was a much better car and I came across it when I was searching around for a car, but I couldn't exactly afford the $58k price tag on a part-time retail job after school so I bought what I could afford. Back then all I cared about was having a fast car to impress my friends, and that stang was definately fast. The engine made something like 190hp on a 3000lbs frame and could probably reach 60mph in 7.5 sec or less. Sorry to have to break it to you Twinky, but a Mustang could beat a Corolla in a race hands down, even a baseline V6 stang.

 

The power isn't what I remember the most about that car. Sorry gvr, but it was a piece of junk hands down. The car was constantly going into the mechanic's shop every season. The 2 problems I remember the most were coolant leakage and engine vibrations, particularly on the pedal when shifting. I also had problems with my a/c compressor and brake pads, which needed constant re-grounding. After I got out of college 4 years later, I finally decided to trade it in for something more reliable. My racing days were over. I did some searches on the internet and found out alot about Corollas, which up to that point I had always bashed as being little junky japanese cars. I ended up buying a pre-owned 01' rolla (the one I'm driving now), and this car has completely blown my nieve thinking away. It is amazing on fuel economy and on reliablity. It really does put that old mustang in perspective

 

Yeah I bought a Corolla S, so I'm not exactly out of my racer days yet. Every so often, I still get the urge to slap a turbocharger on my car and take me back to my high school days when my friends would race each other down the long island expressway. Yeah I know alot of people are hyping about the new mustangs, but after my experience I would NEVER buy another Mustang again. It just left me with a bad taste in my mouth that isnt gonna go away anytime soon.

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The power isn't what I remember the most about that car. Sorry gvr, but it was a piece of junk hands down. The car was constantly going into the mechanic's shop every season. The 2 problems I remember the most were coolant leakage and engine vibrations, particularly on the pedal when shifting. I also had problems with my a/c compressor and brake pads, which needed constant re-grounding. After I got out of college 4 years later, I finally decided to trade it in for something more reliable. My racing days were over. I did some searches on the internet and found out alot about Corollas, which up to that point I had always bashed as being little junky japanese cars. I ended up buying a pre-owned 01' rolla (the one I'm driving now), and this car has completely blown my nieve thinking away. It is amazing on fuel economy and on reliablity. It really does put that old mustang in perspective

 

That's really strange that you had problems with a 99 mustang. It could have been a lemon, but you should have fought for that if you really had to take the car in every season. It sounds like it was never fixed right. Dealers even half to warranty work for a year when they fix something. Also, you don't regrind pads. The rotors get redone, and if you got them redone all the time, they were probably out of spec. The fact that someone would turn the rotors over and over makes it sound like you went to a hack shop. It is actually illegal for a shop to machine rotors out of spec / as in not being thick enough.

 

It also sounds like you tried to race the base stang. Even that should not have broken it. Many guys have luck SCing the 3.8s. Many many other happy mustang owners, myself included don't think the Mustang is crap.

 

Really, if it was total junk, it would not be a automotive icon, it would not have lasted all these years. The mustang is not the most sophisticated car, in fact, it's pretty basic, but it works. I have 5.0 5sp with out 87K miles on it, and I drive it almost every day (I have a few cars to choose from) and I don't have any problems with it. It started every day this winter, no matter how cold it was, it shifts well when frozen, and the only owner cost has been fluids and tires. My car even takes corners rather well with lowered springs, and sub frame connectors and 225s up front and 245s in the rear.

 

I think the Mustang might be the 2nd longest production car in America behind the Corvette. It's come close to stopping production and the Mustang II almost killed the name, but I don't think Ford has taken a single year off since the Mustang was introduced.

 

Last, I'm not sure what kind of vibration you had, but it was probably just the engine. The 99-04 V6s actually had some decent torque. It is also a mass produced car. Our 05 corolla has a rattle in the dash that the dealer can't figure out and we are pretty much stuck with it. I don't like it and I wish it would go away, but I'm not going to call the whole car crap because it has a few flaws that many mass produced cars have.

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Was it an automatic mustang? I know my 98' corolla often has a problem if annoying vibration when its about to shift and from what I've read, its a probably almost solely experienced by automatic corollas. Its not vibrating bad enough for me to want to rip out the transmission, but it does get annoying at times. Usually what will happen is when I'm going uphill, I'm depressing the pedal about half way and the engine isnt sure to run at the normal cruising speed of 1800 rpm or the higher 2300 rpm.

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Sorry to have to break it to you Twinky, but a Mustang could beat a Corolla in a race hands down, even a baseline V6 stang.

 

Oh, I *HAVE* to chime in on this!

Drag race-- sure I'll bet on the Mustang. If lots of turns are involved, I'll usually bet against the Mustang. A heavy V-8 placed high above the front wheels doesn't lend to good cornering. Never underestimate a ligh car on a tight track.

 

Don't believe me? Check out 2-10-07 Autocross Results. Search for Corolla. Note the fast time. Then search for Mustang... I outran EVERY Mustang there with a stock Corolla. It isn't a great statistical sample, but it definitely disagrees with "a Mustang could beat a Corolla in a race hands down". Oh yeah. My Corolla has a 3 speed Ought-Tow-matic. :ph34r:

 

/Dan H.

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I don't know about the newer Mustangs - but the older ones (3rd gen - 1987-1993) were pretty decent cars, compared to others in and out of its class. Not really designed for carving up corners, but they could still do a decent job (more a function of tire contact size) and are relatively cheap to buy and modify. Modifying their suspension was pretty straight forward - the only issues was the live rear alxe, fixed by dropping in an independant rearend conversion from any number of fabricators. Even in stock form - the GT was able to put down something like 220HP and 300ftlb torque in a coupe that weighed around 2700 lbs. Pretty lightweight back then.

 

My brother had one all the way through highschool - held up very well, if you jumped on the problem issues and made sure to catch problems before they became a bigger problem. Plus, it was pretty darn fast. Even my Chevelle had a hard time keeping up - but that was a 1970 Chevelle vs a 1993 Mustang. But the Chevelle was much different on cornering - changing all OEM bushing to polyurethane ones and converting from all drums to all discs - I'd even put this up against other production cars on a road race and probably spank most of them (minus your Evos, STis, Super7, and others in their class).

 

Still - it boils down to having the right tool for the job. Boosting a Corolla would make a nice sleeper - but will definitely through reliability out of the picture, regardless of how well you tune it. Boosting with built internals and chassis/drivetrain to support the enhanced power - that is a different story. Still - I would keep an extra engine around just incase something does happen.

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