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I was seeing some Scion sedans on the road, and I wonder if those are as popular as Acuras and Infinities?

 

If I had the money, I wonder if I would be better off getting a Scion, or an Avalon?

 

(but that's many many many years away yet..)

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Get the Avalon. Scion is for kids. They are wannabe boy toys and they have no haggle prices. I was interested in the Xa because it is basicly a Echo with a really nice stereo. I went to the dealer to look at one and they added so much ricer crap, it made the sticker price sky high. I think it was over 18K. INSAIN!!!!

 

I'm really disapointed in how Toyota is dealing with the Scions. I'll never look at one again and I wish I could bitchslap Toyota for adding crap and rasing prices on what could have been a decent car. I also hate the ads.

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ycr, which Scion? xB? xA? tC? Scion is Toyota's entry-level brand; not nearly the sport/luxury vehicles Acura and Inifiniti are. (Acura is Honda's upmarket brand, Infiniti is Nissan's, and Lexus is Toyota's) BTW, none of the Scions cost nearly as much as a Toyota Avalon. Scions go for around 13-17k depending on model, Avalon mid-20s to 30k. A friend has a Scion tC and she loves it. Camry engine, nice coupe, closest thing to a Celica we have these days.

 

GVR-She liked the no-haggle pricing, (she ordered her car stock- no extras) and she and many of her fellow tCers at the Edmunds forum are middle aged! You are absolutely right about the Scions that land at dealerships loaded up with too much stuff...I've seen it at my own dealership. xA is cool- much nicer than the forthcoming Yaris. Sorry you had a bad experience when you looked at one. I actually like the boxy xB, too.

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Ya I also have liked what i have seen from the xA and xC (B not so much). My assumption is that they are made from pretty much similar parts as other Toyota's but just with different marketing and not so conservative apperance.

 

As far as quality/long term durabilty....that i can not speak of. I would assume Toyota engineer's wouldn't drop the ball completely...but then again its entry level, for young adults, and is a new model/make of car...so hard to say what will end up happening.

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I didn't like the xA and the xB's but the tC isn't too bad. I was thinking about trading my corolla in for one but then I realized that I liked not having a car payment (heh).

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JD Power named tC most reliable sporty car. No surprise, since as I mentioned in an earlier post, it has a Camry engine. xA's first year was not so good, better this year. xA and xB both have an Echo engine standard, but the xB is available with a more powerful engine - can't remember where it's derived from, though...They call that version the "Release."

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I strongly considered the Scion tC before settling for the RAV4, but it didn't offer the same utility, naturally being a sport coupe. Wifey hated the xB, and I wasn't nuts about it either - sort of resembled a large Tonka toy and the only people I saw that owned them were middle-aged women who'd otherwise buy a station wagon or minivan. The xA was too small, okay for passengers but hardly any cargo space. I liked the Matrix but again, the utility inadequate and Wifey thought it looked like an overpriced Corolla trying to morph into a station wagon.

 

I looked at a 4Runner, nice but too steep as far as price went and too big for the garage. Same with the Highlander, which I feel is overpriced for what it is. Didn't even bother with the Sequoia and Land Cruiser for obvious reasons. Liked the Tacoma Pre-Runner with the cab-&-a-half configuration, but was too high in price and no-go for the garage.

 

I could have settled for a Corolla or base Camry instead of the RAV, but I wanted a higher view of the road ahead and I didn't like having to hunker down to enter the cockpit of Wifey's Corolla. Now that I know that the FJ40 is making a comeback I might consider that for the next new car.

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The xA looks cool, but given that 90% of the people driving Scions are complete morons on the road... insurance is probably killer on that car.

 

As an aside, I got a letter from my insurance company that they are raising my rates because their claim rates on Corollas have been higher than expected. It's not because of my driving... but because of some of you other f--**ers. Those who belong to that category... please start driving responsibly, because it really p***sses me off that I'm paying for your irresponsibility.

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The Corollas cost a LOT to fix. However, our car got rearended, someone elses insurance paid for everything, and our insurance never went up.

 

I think I would be shopping for a new insurance company. They should never raise your rates untill you have done something to deserve it. It sounds like dirty polictics to me. Reparing cars isn't what cost insurance companies the big bucks. It's medical cost and law suits. The Corolla might fall apart, but they don't even cost that much to replace. Not compared to other cars.

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I think that it means that the insurance companies are finding that a lot of Corolla drivers are crashing into other people, which means repair bills AND plenty of medical bills, too.

 

It doesn't always seem fair, but that's the way insurance works. If the companies have bad experience the average Corolla... all Corolla drivers will pay more. Just like 16 year old boys pay more than 45 year old married women- accident or not.

 

I'd be suspicious if your company DIDN'T raise its rates in the last couple of years. It may mean they were overcharging to begin with.

 

Tip: Before buying a car, call your insurance company and ask them how much it will be to insure the models you are considering. I'll bet a Civic still costs more than a Corolla for insurance.

 

What was the original topic again?

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My ins. co. 's explanation in all three cases was that Corolla was expensive to fix, period. That still doesn't seem fair. Raise my rates if I mess up, fine, I'll accept that, but to penalize me for body shop costs for an entire model of car seems odd. Who knows. The good news is that they recently lowered my premium, though they didn't explain why. ???

 

Oh, the original topic was Scions.

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Oh yeah...

 

I think Scions are marketed to a totally different population than Avalons, Infinitis, and Acura.

 

The others are semi-luxury, semi-rich people cars for the mid 30s type who doesn't mind having a lot of debt hanging over his head. Scion is for mid 20s type who doesn't mind having a lot of debt hanging over his head.

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